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[Pickman's model]

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[19force8]

In the post I quoted. You fucking gimp.

Look, it ain't rocket science. You accused me of:

defend[ing] jihadists as anti-imperialists by comparing them to the IRA.

Now you've had time to sober up and calm down maybe you can point out where in the post you quoted I did this.

Or

You could just accept you're wrong and say so. You don't even have to apologise.

 

[Anudder Oik]

Although I would challenge your assertion that an "anti-Islamic extremism protest" could be non-racist.

Jesus H Christ.

A point I made about our hypothetical protest applies here. How do you think this protest was likely to have been viewed by a Muslim audience? You say it was directed at the government, but only in so far as it wanted them to take a harder line. You also seem to suggest it isn't just the 400 ISIS members in the UK who need locking up without due process. How many did you have in mind? 800? 4000? (btw, where does this 400 figure come from?) How is this anything other than Islamophobia?

And this wouldn't be comparable to internment in Ireland because? Because it wouldn't act as an ideological finishing school? Because it wouldn't be a national and international blot on the reputation of "British justice?" Because it wouldn't lead to the radicalisation of the friends, sympathisers and relatives of the detained?

You are confusing the broader peaceful muslim population with radicalized elements, as if they have some kind of brotherly bond. You make the perverse assumption that by arresting islamic fascists that this will somehow be an attack on all muslims.

You are equating all muslims with terrorism.

 

[19force8]

You are confusing the broader peaceful muslim population with radicalized elements, as if they have some kind of brotherly bond. You make the perverse assumption that by arresting islamic fascists that this will somehow be an attack on all muslims.

You are equating all muslims with terrorism.

I'm not.

Do you want to tell us where you got this figure of 400 from? And how many more you envisage being banged up?

 

[Ole]

Look, it ain't rocket science. You accused me of:

Now you've had time to sober up and calm down maybe you can point out where in the post you quoted I did this.

Or

You could just accept you're wrong and say so. You don't even have to apologise.

Here you are knobhead:

This is why "the left" doesn't organise "anti-jihadist" demonstrations. Just as we didn't organise anti-IRA marches during the troubles. In fact we campaigned for Troops Out and in support of the hunger strikers.

You have now outdone yourself with the "anti-jihadist demos are racist" post though.

Who is it racist against? Muslims? Are all Muslims sympathetic to jihadists in your view?

You dickhead.

 

[19force8]

Here you are knobhead:

"This is why "the left" doesn't organise "anti-jihadist" demonstrations. Just as we didn't organise anti-IRA marches during the troubles. In fact we campaigned for Troops Out and in support of the hunger strikers."

How is this defending jihadist terrorism?

Are you saying you approved of the IRA blowing up, shooting and beating British and Northern Irish citizens?

Because that's the only way that quote can be read as a defence of Jihadist terrorism.

 

[Pickman's model]

Jesus H Christ.



You are confusing the broader peaceful muslim population with radicalized elements, as if they have some kind of brotherly bond. You make the perverse assumption that by arresting islamic fascists that this will somehow be an attack on all muslims.

You are equating all muslims with terrorism.

you've said above there is 'good' internment (e.g. fascists in 1939) and 'bad' internment (e.g. ireland 1971). but as i've pointed out, a number of people who were neither fascists nor sympathetic to fascism were caught up in that. if by some chance you could guarantee that no one was interned who did not need to be, then perhaps your suggestion might not be so daft. but there are no such examples of which i am aware, and should this happen again, as it happened with guantanamo bay, then regardless of the proportion of 'rightfully' interned people, the minority who have been scooped up in error will again overshadow what may otherwise be a largely successful operation.

in addition, daesh and other islamist terrorists pose no existential threat to this country. none whatsoever, your shrill protestations to the contrary notwithstanding. fewer people have been killed by terrorists in the last three years than died in troubles-related events from 1969-august 1971. your dull and repetitious mantra of intern intern intern doesn't recognise the reality, that despite hysterical media coverage the state does not face a serious threat from jihadi terrorists, certainly nothing compared to the threat hitler posed in the late 1930s. this isn't to minimise the threat posed by daesh and its ilk, simply to look at it in the cold light of day and assess its prospects of success in the uk: which are 0.

 

[Ole]

How is this defending jihadist terrorism?

Are you saying you approved of the IRA blowing up, shooting and beating British and Northern Irish citizens?

Because that's the only way that quote can be read as a defence of Jihadist terrorism.

Bullshit.

The IRA were anti-imperialist terrorists. You compared them to jihadists. Therefore you think jihadists are anti-imperialists like the IRA. You approve of their theocratic fascist cause.

You're a poisonous bellend, a jihadist apologist, and an utter fucking fraud.

 

[Ole]

you've said above there is 'good' internment (e.g. fascists in 1939) and 'bad' internment (e.g. ireland 1971). but as i've pointed out, a number of people who were neither fascists nor sympathetic to fascism were caught up in that. if by some chance you could guarantee that no one was interned who did not need to be, then perhaps your suggestion might not be so daft. but there are no such examples of which i am aware, and should this happen again, as it happened with guantanamo bay, then regardless of the proportion of 'rightfully' interned people, the minority who have been scooped up in error will again overshadow what may otherwise be a largely successful operation.

in addition, daesh and other islamist terrorists pose no existential threat to this country. none whatsoever, your shrill protestations to the contrary notwithstanding. fewer people have been killed by terrorists in the last three years than died in troubles-related events from 1969-august 1971. your dull and repetitious mantra of intern intern intern doesn't recognise the reality, that despite hysterical media coverage the state does not face a serious threat from jihadi terrorists, certainly nothing compared to the threat hitler posed in the late 1930s. this isn't to minimise the threat posed by daesh and its ilk, simply to look at it in the cold light of day and assess its prospects of success in the uk: which are 0.

Who's talking about the threat posed to 'the state'? We're talking about the threat jihadists pose to ordinary civilians and all working-class people, and suggesting that the working-class are rightly concerned about them.

Whereas bellends like 19force8 and perhaps you as well, think the working-class are deluded and should be more concerned about the NF and Tommy Robinson.

 

[Pickman's model]

Bullshit.

The IRA were anti-imperialist terrorists. You compared them to jihadists. Therefore you think jihadists are anti-imperialists like the IRA. You approve of their theocratic fascist cause.

You're a poisonous bellend, a jihadist apologist, and an utter fucking fraud.

jesus. comparing a to b else does not mean you think a is b. please engage brain before posting.

 

[killer b]

Therefore you think jihadists are anti-imperialists like the IRA. You approve of their theocratic fascist cause.

You're a poisonous bellend, a jihadist apologist, and an utter fucking fraud.

I'm not sure if this is the best way to talk people round to your point of view.

 

[Pickman's model]

Who's talking about the threat posed to 'the state'? We're talking about the threat jihadists pose to ordinary civilians and all working-class people, and suggesting that the working-class are rightly concerned about them.

Whereas bellends like 19force8 and perhaps you as well, think the working-class are deluded and should be more concerned about the NF and Tommy Robinson.

if you read anudder oik's posts about internment then maybe, just maybe, you'd have some inkling of what i'm talking about.

 

[19force8]

Bullshit.

The IRA were anti-imperialist terrorists. You compared them to jihadists. Therefore you think jihadists are anti-imperialists like the IRA. You approve of their theocratic fascist cause.

You're a poisonous bellend, a jihadist apologist, and an utter fucking fraud.

So in your view the working class was okay with being maimed and murdered by the IRA because it was in a good, anti-imperialist cause.

And to repeat, I did not compare the IRA to jihadist terrorists.

 

[Anudder Oik]

I'm not.

Do you want to tell us where you got this figure of 400 from? And how many more you envisage being banged up?

The BBC estimates that half the 850 who went to Syria have returned.

Who are Britain’s jihadists?
Who are Britain’s jihadists? - BBC News

Click on the "by offenses" option in the interactive chart. It shows the reality of extremists who have been arrested and sentenced for what you call "thought crimes".

There are literally thousands on the intelligence service watch lists in different catagories. One list is 3500 while in Belgium it's 18,000. The Manchester murderer who killed 22 was considered to be on the fringe.

 

[Anudder Oik]

certainly nothing compared to the threat hitler posed in the late 1930s. this isn't to minimise the threat posed by daesh and its ilk, simply to look at it in the cold light of day and assess its prospects of success in the uk: which are 0.

You can substitute Hitler for car accidents if you like, some already have in the relative comparison charts of damage caused by terrorists. I find this logic callous. It seems strange that you're primary concern "in the cold light of day" (I'd say cold heart), is about the threat to the state, which is not even being targeted, and not about the people who are, like the 22 in Manchester.

You say

its prospects of success in the uk: which are 0

but that's not how the terrorists or ordinary potential victims see it. Substitute that 0 for the number of killed and maimed in each attack.

 

[Pickman's model]

You can substitute Hitler for car accidents if you like, some already have in the relative comparison charts of damage caused by terrorists. I find this logic callous. It seems strange that you're primary concern "in the cold light of day" (I'd say cold heart), is about the threat to the state, which is not even being targeted, and not about the people who are, like the 22 in Manchester.

You say but that's not how the terrorists or ordinary potential victims see it. Substitute that 0 for the number of killed and maimed in each attack.

substitute for 'the state' 'the country' or 'the nation' or whatnot, the point still stands. some people want, for their own nefarious reasons, to talk up the threat from jihadi terrorism. the point of terrorism is to terrorise, and you with your 'let's suspend the rule of law because of a few incidents' does daesh's work for them. the murderous events of recent weeks, vile and deplorable though they are, only pose as much threat to the normal lives of working class people as working class people allow them to. it's not like there's a terrorist on every street corner, or even in every borough, village or town. your exaggerated response shows you have an agenda at work here, and judging by previous agendas you've promoted i don't see it as entirely benign.

 

[Ole]

substitute for 'the state' 'the country' or 'the nation' or whatnot, the point still stands. some people want, for their own nefarious reasons, to talk up the threat from jihadi terrorism. the point of terrorism is to terrorise, and you with your 'let's suspend the rule of law because of a few incidents' does daesh's work for them. the murderous events of recent weeks, vile and deplorable though they are, only pose as much threat to the normal lives of working class people as working class people allow them to. it's not like there's a terrorist on every street corner, or even in every borough, village or town. your exaggerated response shows you have an agenda at work here, and judging by previous agendas you've promoted i don't see it as entirely benign.

I'd like to hear you tell a lad who got his legs blown off in Manchester that the threat from jihadism is all in his head. Tell his daughters he was picking up as well who may be traumatised for life. Are you a fucking sociopath or what?

If jihadism isn't a fucking threat, what's the EDL?

 

[Ole]

About 15,000 people attended that concert in Manchester. The mortal jihadist threat was posed equally to any one of them. Add their family and friends. But yeah no need to be concerned

In fact they need to be scared of Tommy Robinson because some antifa bellend says so.

Fucking hellfire.

 

[Red Sky]

About 15,000 people attended that concert in Manchester. The mortal jihadist threat was posed equally to any one of them. Add their family and friends. But yeah no need to be concerned

In fact they need to be scared of Tommy Robinson because some antifa bellend says so.

Fucking hellfire.

So what are you going to do about it? Apart from gobbing off on here?

 

[Pickman's model]

I'd like to hear you tell a lad who got his legs blown off in Manchester that the threat from jihadism is all in his head. Tell his daughters he was picking up as well who may be traumatised for life. Are you a fucking sociopath or what?

If jihadism isn't a fucking threat, what's the EDL?

yeh. it does help if you reply to what i've written instead of some guff you cobble together in your mind.

 

[Ole]

So what are you going to do about it? Apart from gobbing off on here?

You'd love to know that wouldn't you?

You carry on sucking their cocks you little gimp.

 

[Ole]

I'm not sure if this is the best way to talk people round to your point of view.

I reserve only contempt for them. There's no persuading them. I talk to normal people like a normal person.

 

[ddraig]

get a fucking grip

 

[19force8]

The BBC estimates that half the 850 who went to Syria have returned.

Who are Britain’s jihadists?
Who are Britain’s jihadists? - BBC News

There are literally thousands on the intelligence service watch lists in different catagories. One list is 3500 while in Belgium it's 18,000. The Manchester murderer who killed 22 was considered to be on the fringe.

Thanks for the link, so you're expecting 4,000 to be interned eh? Hmmm

Click on the "by offenses" option in the interactive chart. It shows the reality of extremists who have been arrested and sentenced for what you call "thought crimes".

Actually these people seem to have been charged and convicted of actual crimes, not detained without trial for things which aren't criminal.

 

[Red Sky]

You'd love to know that wouldn't you?

You carry on sucking their cocks you little gimp.

Bit early to be that pissed

 

[Pickman's model]

I reserve only contempt for them. There's no persuading them. I talk to normal people like a normal person.

Not so sure that's true

 

[Arbeter Fraynd]

Report and analysis of FLA demo in London, Saturday 24th June

 

[Red Sky]

Report and analysis of FLA demo in London, Saturday 24th June

Interesting, if a bit sneery.

 

[juice_terry]

And possibly a load of nonsense

 

[Red Sky]

And possibly a load of nonsense

How so? I think they went on the march as reported.