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[frogwoman]

Fair point, I was just disputing his idea that the Celtic people still exist - we're all

well yes, and "race" doesn't exist anyway

 

[frogwoman]

i have no agenda.

 

[trampie]

Fair point, I was just disputing his idea that the Celtic people still exist - we're all

People from Ireland, Wales and Scotland are commonly called Celtic that's all.

I'm glad i didn't have to tell you about males including children from of about the age of 8 being taken from a village in Ireland and well, lets leave it at that shall we or a defeated army in Wales doing unspeakable things to women and children and places of worship, the first incident mentioned was only about 200 hundred years ago as well so not that long ago.

You mentioned comparisons didn't you Orang Utan !

 

[frogwoman]

People from Ireland, Wales and Scotland are commonly called Celtic that's all.

I'm glad i didn't have to tell you about males including children from of about the age of 8 being taken from a village in Ireland and well, lets leave it at that shall we or a defeated army in Wales doing unspeakable things to women and children and places of worship, the first incident mentioned was only about 200 hundred years ago as well so not that long ago.

You mentioned comparisons didn't you !

what has this got to do with the celtic people still existing, or people in England today (many of whom will have been descended from scottish or welsh people) being responsible for what happened 200 years ago !

 

[trampie]

You will often find groups that seem similar to some but they are often on opposing sides and take a different view on many topics for centuries, the Balkans and N.Ireland are examples.

 

[Orang Utan]

Bennie on the loose

 

[Pickman's model]

No you have read it wrong , i didn't mean a patch of land in the Middle East has historical resonances for Irish, Welsh and Scots, i mean't that the situation the Palestinians find themselves in at the hands of an occupying power is similar to what the Irish, Welsh and Scots have found themselves in in the past.

Do try and keep up.

you're not very good at this reading and writing thing, are you.

 

[Pickman's model]

You will often find groups that seem similar to some but they are often on opposing sides and take a different view on many topics for centuries, the Balkans and N.Ireland are examples.

outwardly you could be taken for someone with a grain of wit, but this appearance is dispelled as soon as you open your mouth, or - on the internet - as soon as you put hand to keyboard

 

[Pickman's model]

Being forced to live as a second class citizen in your own homeland occupied by foreign invaders that force their own laws and rules on you, may be centuries ago for the Celtic peoples but there is still an empathy towards other small groups wanting freedom and self determination.

centuries ago for the celtic peoples? like the basques you mean, or the irish?

 

[trampie]

An insight has been given into why certain groups feel an affinity with each other as some posters seemed to be struggling with the whys and wherefores.

 

[Pickman's model]

An insight has been given into why certain groups feel an affinity with each other as some posters seemed to be struggling with the whys and wherefores, i was glad to be of service to such people.

the only real way you can be of service to everyone here is to bog off and never darken the urban door again

 

[trampie]

the only real way you can be of service to everyone here is to bog off and never darken the urban door again

But that would give an unopposed free run to the members of the clique.

 

[Pickman's model]

But that would give an unopposed free run to the members of the clique.

i see. it appears you've outed yourself as a detective-boy stay-behind login.

 

[ddraig]

now THAT would be funny

 

[Citizen66]

Not enough cunts.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not enough cunts.

that's because he's trying to disguise himself.

 

[Spymaster]

DB wasn't a racist.

 

[tony.c]

tbh i would be surprised if many people posting on this thread didn't have some right-wing extremist literature somewhere at home

I don't.

 

[Delroy Booth]

http://scriptonitedaily.wordpress.c...-for-disabled-the-racistvan-racial-profiling/

More shit. If the RacistVan is enough to get people wringing their hands about us sleepwalking into fascism then fuck knows how they'll react if the British state does go that way. I don't think blog posts like that would be tolerated for a start.

Also uses Umberto Eco's 14 points of Fascism, which i'm sure has been dealt with before on here, but is also a load of shit.

 

[Corax]

I stand to be corrected by the Irish/Republican people on here, but iirc it goes back to the days of the Hunger strikes when Palestinians expressed support for Bobby Sands and the others on the hunger strike. Republicans supported the Palestinian struggles and flew the Palestinian flag at marches, and Celtic supporters did the same at matches. The loyalists took to flying the Israeli flag in response and to be provocative.
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Would be interesting to know how that went down in the areas of the US which were supporting the IRA, yet fully pro-Israel.

 

[FNG]

I stand to be corrected by the Irish/Republican people on here, but iirc it goes back to the days of the Hunger strikes when Palestinians expressed support for Bobby Sands and the others on the hunger strike. Republicans supported the Palestinian struggles and flew the Palestinian flag at marches, and Celtic supporters did the same at matches. The loyalists took to flying the Israeli flag in response and to be provocative.
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The unionist response came much later, it wasn't until around 2002 that the phenomenon was noted in the mainstream media,at a time when both the oslo accords and the GFA were seemingly at an impasse,the state of Israel was systematically using the IDF to smash the Infrastructure of the nascent PA.Basically it was a reiteration of an old sentiment to "Send In The Troops"

 

[bamalama]

The dup have had links with israel since the late seventies early eighties as far as i know.There's a famous photo of peter robinson brandishing an ak47 on one of his visits to israel as a guest of the israeli govt from 1984.
The story goes these were fact finding trips to gain "security" knowledge from the israelis i.e. youse have done a good job with containing palestinian dissent, maybe the same tactics'll work in "our wee province".
Also people tend to forget that the dup and their cohorts are christian fundamentalists and this is the ideological foundation for much of their policies/politics,so maybe there's a cross over with their support for the state of israel, as it exists, there.

 

[FNG]

There was always the potential for shared intelligence on the movements of IRA men to training camps in lebanon to consider.

What piques my curiosity about that Peter Robinson photo though is
The AK47 is not the first weapon one would associate with the state of Israel though? It's an odd choice of weapon to select for propaganda purposes on a fact finding mission.

 

[bamalama]

There was always the potential for shared intelligence on the movements of IRA men to training camps in lebanon to consider.

What piques my curiosity about that Peter Robinson photo though is
The AK47 is not the first weapon one would associate with the state of Israel though? It's an odd choice of weapon to select for propaganda purposes on a fact finding mission.

Aye i've thought that.Not sure it was a propaganda photo though,i think it leaked out...it's all a wee bit shady,and considering the paramilitary stuff they were up to at the time,which was a disaster for them,maybe not so odd.Must do some more research around it

 

[DotCommunist]

Galils don't look as iconic

 

[bamalama]

Galils don't look as iconic

I had to google that,another piece of useless info to clog up my useless brain with,cheers

 

[FNG]

There's a bit in the Michael stone book about the milltown massacre about South Africa paying for Industrial Espionage on missile technology from the shipyards with Israeli stocks of AKs captured during the six day war around that time frame.

Total coincidence I would have thought.

 

[Limerick Red]

The unionist response came much later, it wasn't until around 2002 that the phenomenon was noted in the mainstream media,at a time when both the oslo accords and the GFA were seemingly at an impasse,the state of Israel was systematically using the IDF to smash the Infrastructure of the nascent PA.Basically it was a reiteration of an old sentiment to "Send In The Troops"

As I remember someone saying at the time, if we were flying Oasis flags, Gods choosen people would stick up Blur ones.

 

[tony.c]

The dup have had links with israel since the late seventies early eighties as far as i know.There's a famous photo of peter robinson brandishing an ak47 on one of his visits to israel as a guest of the israeli govt from 1984.
The story goes these were fact finding trips to gain "security" knowledge from the israelis i.e. youse have done a good job with containing palestinian dissent, maybe the same tactics'll work in "our wee province".
Also people tend to forget that the dup and their cohorts are christian fundamentalists and this is the ideological foundation for much of their policies/politics,so maybe there's a cross over with their support for the state of israel, as it exists, there.

The loyalist hierarchy may well have had links with Israel since the late 70s or even earlier, particularly those who were in Stormont, but I don't think that the Star of David flag was flown by rank & file loyalists on the streets or terraces until younger nationalists started flying the Palestinian flags in solidarity with Palestinian youth who were engaged with the Intifada uprising. Nationalist youth saw a parallel with their own struggle. As LR said above, the loyalist rank and file would then support the opposition - 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' syndrome or just bloody contrariness rather than ideological support for Zionism.
Obviously a dilemma for UK Nazis who support loyalists but are also anti-Semitic (and anti-Islamic).

 

[laptop]

There were the painted kerbstones, as well as the flags. Which were first?