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Fair PoV, but the way your initial objection came across in the blog (to me) was nothing to do with the tories.
You say yourself that:

That, in itself, I see as a potential baby-step for some people that may be flirting with nationalism. Not a great view to be holding, but better the previous. Someone able to view themselves as a 'patriot' whilst accepting difference is better than someone who sees their 'patriotism' as inextricably linked to the rejection of difference, IMO. And like it or not, I suspect Damascene conversions are rare.

it's not though, it's actually saying that that stuff is ok. that the reason that the bnp are wrong is because it's "foreign", because their brand of racism is foreign and linking it with the nazis and that, it's emotional blackmail from the establishment and far-right voters will probably see right through it. it doesn't explain why it's wrong or anything and it's also implying that the BNP and the far-right are not english, ie "foreign" and that's what's wrong with it.
 
Yes. I've made no reference to 'tactical' support of the fash at all, unless I've done so unintentionally. :confused:

i didn't say you did.

i think any anti-fascist campaign tho should engage with the actual politics of the thing though rather than say "it's not british" (ie it's something that's not done in this country, nazis, churchill and that sort of stuff) i also think that it's very hypocritical coming from a racist anti-immigrant party that's partially responsible for the growth of the far-right anyway.
 
it's not though, it's actually saying that that stuff is ok. that the reason that the bnp are wrong is because it's "foreign", because their brand of racism is foreign and linking it with the nazis and that, it's emotional blackmail from the establishment and far-right voters will probably see right through it. it doesn't explain why it's wrong or anything and it's also implying that the BNP and the far-right are not english, ie "foreign" and that's what's wrong with it.
When I parse that down to its nub I agree with the core sentiment - but the phrasing is different, and crucial. It's not about X being 'foreign', it's about anti-X being anti-British.

Sure, telling people that acceptance of diversity and difference, tolerance (I hate that usage of that word but please take it as it's popularly used), etc, are 'British' qualities may - to some - imply that those horrid foreigners lack those traits. But it's not actually implicit.

All postboxes are red, but not everything red is a postbox. That kinda thing.

But if you can take a group of people that get misty-eyed at the mention of Nelson or Churchill, and put jump-leads between the bit of their brain that's patterned with the cross of St George and the bit that accepts difference, I can only see that as a good thing. As I said, it's not the end game. But it may be one less 'paki' or 'muzrat' getting a kicking or an earful. And the best case scenario is that it doesn't end there, and they eventually turn up on U75 giving me abuse for being so embarrassingly middle-class and naive about this sort of thing.

i think any anti-fascist campaign tho should engage with the actual politics of the thing though rather than say "it's not british" (ie it's something that's not done in this country, nazis, churchill and that sort of stuff) i also think that it's very hypocritical coming from a racist anti-immigrant party that's partially responsible for the growth of the far-right anyway.

Absolutely. But it wasn't an ant-fascist campaign. It was a PR stunt by the tories.

Caveat/clarification: I'm not defending a tory campaign (vomits). I'm commenting on your analysis of it, iyswim - although that may be an unfair description given that it was only a couple of sentences in a much larger article. And the only reason I picked out that bit was that my response to the rest would merely have been 'yep'.
 
There's been infidels and scouse nationalists hanging around Wigan and Leigh all day today, anyone got any more information as what's going on? Loads of police from manchester gone over.
 
It's NWI organised according to the EDL on FB

https://www.facebook.com/edlwigandivision?fref=ts

Lets give it one last push. can we all please share. Lets get as many patriots there as possible

The next Nwi demo will be on the 3rd August in Leigh to highlight the ever growing problems of mass immigration. We will be meeting in the Brittania pub, St Helens road, Leigh WN7 4HW. The public house will be open from 11am onwards.

At approx 1pm we will leave the meeting point and head out onto St Helens Road to begin our march. We will march up St Helens Road then over Leigh Bridge. We will then head Sraight over the cross roads onto Leigh Road from where we will then march past the bus station and via the Town Center. Once past the Town Centre we will head over to the town hall were speeches will be held.
 
Surprise surprise the EDL News group is full of Zeitgeist moonbats


tangentially related- it took me about a whole hour to get my head around EDL's pro-Israel stance before realising the ugly truth that they support Israel cos israel bombs muslims :facepalm:

iirc that was one of the stated reasons for the NWI split as well. It deffo had nothing to do with regional rivalries and money either. Of course.
 
tangentially related- it took me about a whole hour to get my head around EDL's pro-Israel stance before realising the ugly truth that they support Israel cos israel bombs muslims :facepalm:

iirc that was one of the stated reasons for the NWI split as well. It deffo had nothing to do with regional rivalries and money either. Of course.


Surely it didn't take you an hour? REALLY?

All 3 reasons regarding the NWI split are correct of course.
 
tangentially related- it took me about a whole hour to get my head around EDL's pro-Israel stance before realising the ugly truth that they support Israel cos israel bombs muslims :facepalm:

iirc that was one of the stated reasons for the NWI split as well. It deffo had nothing to do with regional rivalries and money either. Of course.

The English Defence League supports Israel shocker hey ! :hmm:
 
tangentially related- it took me about a whole hour to get my head around EDL's pro-Israel stance before realising the ugly truth that they support Israel cos israel bombs muslims :facepalm:

iirc that was one of the stated reasons for the NWI split as well. It deffo had nothing to do with regional rivalries and money either. Of course.


Pretty sure that their views on Israel are about as well considered as their support for Khalistan secessionism
 
I always thought it developed from ulster paramilitaries flying the Star of david, from where it was adopted by hooligan elements in the Rangers fanbase, then adopted by EDL casual's ect,there has always been more star of david flags at their ralllies than there are members of their Jewish Division at any rate.
 
fuck off you racist tory

That appears to be aimed at trampie, and I was rather concerned to learn s/he could be a racist. So I had a medium size scan of attributed posts and couldn't find anything to demonstrate racism (or toryism for that matter)

Could you help me out with some sourced quotes please?

Ta.
 
Anyone ID this 'patriot' assaulting* someone unprovoked?



*Legally speaking. I realise it's not exactly a baseball bat to the knees.
 
I always thought it developed from ulster paramilitaries flying the Star of david, from where it was adopted by hooligan elements in the Rangers fanbase, then adopted by EDL casual's ect,there has always been more star of david flags at their ralllies than there are members of their Jewish Division at any rate.

thanks for the brief history. i didnt know this had been used by loyalists etc and co-opted by soccer types. as for SWP in manchester, about 40 infidels, casuals, etc managed to assemble in leigh where there was a bit of opposition and a bit of plod action. they could have been on the way to or from leigh. an easy target and a piss poor 'unifying national' demo.
 
That appears to be aimed at trampie, and I was rather concerned to learn s/he could be a racist. So I had a medium size scan of attributed posts and couldn't find anything to demonstrate racism (or toryism for that matter)

Could you help me out with some sourced quotes please?

Ta.

He was banned for antisemitism and he was whining about the pensions strikes being about greedy public sector workers. Walks, quacks etc.

CBA to search for quotes, you'll have to do that yourself.
 
I always thought it developed from ulster paramilitaries flying the Star of david, from where it was adopted by hooligan elements in the Rangers fanbase, then adopted by EDL casual's ect,there has always been more star of david flags at their ralllies than there are members of their Jewish Division at any rate.
there is a zionist element to their nationalism but it's basically because Israel kills muslims, it also goes along with their whole churchill/second world war nationalist fetishism I think (which is why calling them nazis is a bit daft most of the time, and also kind of links in to what I was saying about the whole "nothing british" thing - the EDL's nationalism isn't Nazism, they'd consider Nazism to have nothing to do with "english traditions" whatever)
 
thanks for the brief history. i didnt know this had been used by loyalists
I stand to be corrected by the Irish/Republican people on here, but iirc it goes back to the days of the Hunger strikes when Palestinians expressed support for Bobby Sands and the others on the hunger strike. Republicans supported the Palestinian struggles and flew the Palestinian flag at marches, and Celtic supporters did the same at matches. The loyalists took to flying the Israeli flag in response and to be provocative.
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