I do. It's in poor taste but it's only a tattoo.
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tony.c
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Seems a bit over the top, but if someone complained I suppose the police would have to question him at least. He did seem more of an idiot than a hardline racist in that Sky news clip and admitted it was stupid.They probably won't charge him though, unless it's 'pour encourager les autres'.
It is, at the very least, incitement to a terrorist act.
And he can't complain he had only borrowed it off a mate out of interest...
It's not incitement to anything, it's a depiction of a mosque exploding. The cause of the explosion isn't made explicit - It could be a gas leak rather than a bomb for all we know.
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
andysays
Love and solidarity
It could be argued to be an incitement to a terrorist act, so it will be interesting to see if anyone attempts to make that argument within a legal framework, and if so, whether they succeed.
Not sure if either of those can be taken for granted just yet...
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
i think the context of an 'exploding mosque' at an EDL rally gives it a more obvious meaning. bit over the top really but cant help a wee bit of schadenfreude at someone getting nicked after being such a nob. also, woman sacked after telling folk on facebook she was robbing hospital supplies for an upcoming EDL rally. crivvens!
They should remove it from him with a scalpel
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
oh sorry, was he on a march about gas safety or something and not an edl march??
turn it in softlad ffs
steeplejack
trapped lbw for a duck
From that brief TV thing, the boy is clearly troubled and one of the blunter knives in the drawer.
Only an absolute moron could get such a tattoo and not think through the consequences when it was, inevitably, discovered. A more sinister version of the knuckledragger who had 'Pork Chops' tattoed on him, as though any Muslim would spontaneously evaporate on seeing it...
but, come on, the EDL is enjoying a bounce because of poor Lee Rigby. Soon enough Rigby will be forgotten by all but his family, and the EDL will once again shrink back to the state it was in before his death. Rigby's death has provided an horrible focus for them but the 'leadership' remains abysmal, and self-serving, and the footsoldiers of a rank rotten calibre.
I think it right to keep an eye on the EDL but the monomania some on line have about them is just building up their profile rather than destroying it. The EDL's script is like that of a late Carry On film, without any of the gravitas.
Only an absolute moron could get such a tattoo and not think through the consequences when it was, inevitably, discovered. A more sinister version of the knuckledragger who had 'Pork Chops' tattoed on him, as though any Muslim would spontaneously evaporate on seeing it...
but, come on, the EDL is enjoying a bounce because of poor Lee Rigby. Soon enough Rigby will be forgotten by all but his family, and the EDL will once again shrink back to the state it was in before his death. Rigby's death has provided an horrible focus for them but the 'leadership' remains abysmal, and self-serving, and the footsoldiers of a rank rotten calibre.
I think it right to keep an eye on the EDL but the monomania some on line have about them is just building up their profile rather than destroying it. The EDL's script is like that of a late Carry On film, without any of the gravitas.
Yeah but the guy's name's Shaun Reah. Which sounds a bit like Sharia to me. Point proved, I reckon.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Kev Scott LTJ
Active Member
Ouch.......... make sure you sprinkle lots of salt on after, and rub it in...... wouldn't want an infection would we!
ItWillNeverWork
Messy Crimbobs, fellow humans.
SpineyNorman
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Gingerman
Is a great bunch of lads.....
Shoulda went the whole hog and got TWAT tattooed on his forehead.......
SpineyNorman
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I saw someone lose half their hand in a machine not too dissimilar to that once, a young lad fresh out of school. When we'd bandaged him up and were waiting for the ambulance he was screaming for his mum
One of the most disturbing things I've ever seen
andysays
Love and solidarity
I saw someone lose half their hand in a machine not too dissimilar to that once, a young lad fresh out of school. When we'd bandaged him up and were waiting for the ambulance he was screaming for his mum
One of the most disturbing things I've ever seen
Spindle Moulder?
Those things can be lethal, especially when, like in your photo, they're not properly guarded
SpineyNorman
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Spindle Moulder?
Those things can be lethal, especially when, like in your photo, they're not properly guarded
Think this one was for architraving but it's the same principle. They're supposed to have a brake linked to the guard as well as a power cut-off so that when it's opened it stops immediately. Someone had lifted the guard off and let's just say the brake wasn't working, the power had been cut off but it kept spinning. The poor sod had his back to it and without thinking put his hand behind him to lean on the machine. Fucking horrible, no chance of retrieving his fingers either cos it just minced them
I'm sure he got a hefty pay-out (we were just contractors there to do a one-off job on the compressed air lines beside the so I don't know for sure) but I doubt he'd have swapped the money for his hand if you'd asked him before
Corax
Luke 5:16
Nice job.
The only bit I'm not so sure about is the criticism of the "Nothing British about the BNP" campaign though.
You say that " The title is instantly problematic because it promotes reactionary nationalism in the name of opposing fascism". Taken in isolation, I'd agree. But the context is a campaign aimed at a group of people that regard themselves as 'patriots'. Their hot-button, the thing that will influence them, is an appeal to their sense of 'Britishness'. The campaign is (was) therefore designed to use this lever, to reform their sense of this 'Britishness' to include diversity and difference, and thus distance them from a party that the tories saw as a potential threat.
I'm no fan of the concept of patriotism, whether or not it's (overtly) aligned with facism and xenophobia - but that's a more complicated message and would need to be delivered in a different way to a campaign like NBatBNP. It was a quick-win strike, a simple message telling those on the margins that what they were flirting with was actually in opposition to that which they hold dear. That's not a bad thing in itself - if viewed as a baby-step rather than mission-achieved.
My main problem with NBatBNP is that it was designed to increase the Tory vote. The message itself I see as a valid attempt to chip away a bit of the mortar, even though it won't demolish the building.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The mortar of what though? By who? Aimed at who? It relies on and legitmises and normalises two things: 1) that there is a proper british way of doing things, i.e that there is a certain set of british beliefs and b) that the tory party embody these beliefs. It's pro-status quo (and it's the same arguments and approach that is being used to smear benefit claimants and immigrants right now) and shouldn''t be touched with a barge pole by anyone concerned with changing that status quo. Horror show stuff.
sunnysidedown
caput mortuum
any idea what street that is? I grew up in SS then moved north of the river. always had a soft spot for SS though, the sun seemed to linger a bit longer in the evenings.
Corax
Luke 5:16
Mindset, beliefs, foundations, call it what you will.
The tory PR contractors apparently.
Really? Okay. Those floating between BNP and tory crosses on the ballot.
Yes. Hence "baby-step". You're veering, so I'll take you back to my opening, the context - You say that "The title is instantly problematic because it promotes reactionary nationalism in the name of opposing fascism"
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I say no such thing. I say what I said above. And I repeat those points and add why the hell should I be concerned with pulling bnp voters to the tories on any basis at all, not just a pro proper nationalist basis ? What next, pulling tory voters to labour ?
Corax
Luke 5:16
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
no.
it was aimed at presenting an image of a tory party as a party that was opposed to fascism and was not racist which as recent events have shown is a lie. and promoting the idea of fascism as something "british people" wouldn't do.
and i'm sorry but if you promote nationalism and say it's to oppose fascism it makes what you're doing pointless. especially when you're doing so from being in a position of a party that either holds state power or is the official opposition and therefore is hugely responsible for the conditions that create support for the far-right.
Corax
Luke 5:16
Fair PoV, but the way your initial objection came across in the blog (to me) was nothing to do with the tories.
You say yourself that:
That, in itself, I see as a potential baby-step for some people that may be flirting with nationalism. Not a great view to be holding, but better the previous. Someone able to view themselves as a 'patriot' whilst accepting difference is better than someone who sees their 'patriotism' as inextricably linked to the rejection of difference, IMO. And like it or not, I suspect Damascene conversions are rare.
Corax
Luke 5:16
Yes. I've made no reference to 'tactical' support of the fash at all, unless I've done so unintentionally.
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