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I believe we were discussing links on your apolitical blog.
malatesta32
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dont be silly. apolitical my arse. maybe we can do something on you so you can tell everyone that they are getting antifascism wrong and then you can tell us all what to do!
who are you to tell people what to write about? no one. who am i to tell anyone what to write about? no one.
who are you to tell people what to write about? no one. who am i to tell anyone what to write about? no one.
So classism is fine as long as it's alleged anti-fascists doing it?
Can't wait for your book with the foreword by Nick Griffin.
Limerick Red
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We'll that would be speculating, but can you give us the stats of how many arrests he's had in relation to nationalist stuff
(edl, notinafirm casuals, NWI,EVF) and still not a sniff of bird.
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tony.c
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I don't understand why anti-fascists have to be anti-classists, whatever that is.So classism is fine as long as it's alleged anti-fascists doing it?
Can't wait for your book with the foreword by Nick Griffin.
Surely we are on the same side against fascism with anyone who opposes it, whether they are liberals, Tories or whatever, even if we might disagree with their political (or religious) views.
Or are only people we agree with (depending on our own personal political views) allowed to be anti-fascists?
Because if you're involved in class politics it seems a bit bizarre to jump into bed with people who sneer at the working class just because they oppose the edl. Should anti-fascists be above criticism just because they claim they're anti-fascists? David Cameron is a signatory of UAF. Maybe we should give him an easy ride because of that?
juice_terry
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Tony I don't think the argument is that you have to be anti classist to be anti fascist. The argument is that there is any need to post classist shite about the edl etc as part of the fight against them . The elitism shown in these "sartorial" blogs is what can disengage/ deter a lot of folk who come from the same background as the edl supporters from becoming involved in fighting against them. I certainly have nothing in common with your average UAF/HNH member but that doesn't make me less of an anti fascist !!
juice_terry
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It also runs the risk of painting the picture that all fascists are white working class men , which as everyone knows isn't the case
Or that all anti-fascists are middle class sneering pricks.
Ermmm... I give you Bishops.
Some of the prominent anti-fascist Bishops called themselves Christian Socialists. But some were and are motivated by fascism being competition.
E2A: Or, come to think of it, by being gay.
J Ed
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Or if you're applying that sort of logic why is it any less sensible to form a popular front with the EDL over the bedroom tax?
butchersapron
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It's perfectly possible to be an anti-fascist and be anti-working class. That's why it's best to give up anti-fascism for some more coherent politics.
J Ed
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I think that these are all really good points, they're made well here and I agree... but people who read that blog are not going to get the impression that you think that about the issue. They're going to think that it's a trivial issue and you're asserting that people who are worried about grooming gangs are either overreacting to something that is trivial or think a lot about paedophiles because they are Muslim because they have some kind of sexual fetish associated with that.
This stuff might fly well with the pretentious bigoted pricks that gravitate around EDL News but it looks just awful to most people.
cesare
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It's not really a political position in and of itself, is it? Being against something. Like anti-capitalism. Can attract all sorts cf occupy.
Good point. That's at the heart of this.
SpineyNorman
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Yes, clearly what's going on now is exactly the same as world war two. You fucking plum.
10. Never trust the Stalinists.
Does that include the second world war?
Does that include the second world war?
All true enough but we also can't really escape the fact it was the USSR that more than any other country that is responsible for defeating Nazism. Nazism wasn't defeated politically by any anti-fascist forces within Germany, the had nazi's crushed the German left and the German labour movement comprehensively by about 1936, it was defeated militarily by an alliance between a degenerated workers state and US-led imperialist capitalism. Not really meant to be a defence of Stalin personally but it is a fact.
Might not be able to trust 'em but without Stalinist's and the Soviet Union we'd all be speaking German. Seriously. They'd have forced everyone in Britain to change their language, as you know that's customary with invading countries.
Anyway it's a good list and all but I doubt "don't trust the Stalinists" will be of much use in the future. The number of literal stalinists still operating in British politics is pretty low these days and I can't see it making a comeback so nice sentiments and all but hardly practical. Don't buy the Morning Star just to be on the safe side.
taffboy gwyrdd
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But did the USSR have a key role in defeating nazism because it was nazism or because they were attacked?
A similar question is under-asked of the UK's role - Did we declare war because the 3rd Reich was bad or because they were a threat? As we know, the little Austrian had plenty of admirers on these shores. Churchill was possibly in a minority for seeing the threat, and even he was a virulent racist.
Is The Morning Star still Tankie? How would we know? I bought it for quite a while before the cover price shot up 66% at once. "i" is all I can really afford on a daily basis now.
A similar question is under-asked of the UK's role - Did we declare war because the 3rd Reich was bad or because they were a threat? As we know, the little Austrian had plenty of admirers on these shores. Churchill was possibly in a minority for seeing the threat, and even he was a virulent racist.
Is The Morning Star still Tankie? How would we know? I bought it for quite a while before the cover price shot up 66% at once. "i" is all I can really afford on a daily basis now.
Saying nothing.
Does it matter? Whatever their intent was, it doesn't change what happened, does it?
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Isn't English a collection of words brought here from Northern Germany, Friesia and Scandanavia? Then there's those damn Romans, Jutes and Angles.
tony.c
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I do know that, but thanks for your incisive comment.
Combustible
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This sounds like a convenient slogan but is it true? I don't really see how the Weimar Republic was the "foundation, source, and sibling" of Nazi Germany. The Nazis primarily represented those conservative forces who rejected the legitimacy of the Weimar Republic and its 'bourgeois democracy'. In what sense can it be its foundation and source?
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