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[SpineyNorman]

Is there any wonder, after trying to explain it for several pages on here, on several occasions, people get pissed off at you and call you a cunt taffboy gwyrdd? I went a bit over the top with mal the other day, venting my frustration at the EDL news lot at him and I openly admit that was unfair - I dislike some of what he writes but he's not in the same category as them. But you are - in fact if anything you're even worse.

 

[butchersapron]

Utter delusion. This is where edl obsession gets you.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

He can't even see what's bad about it.

I can see what people say is bad about it, and have discussed it far more seriously and respectfully than has ever come the other way regarding it's arguably more redeeming points. Ta.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Utter delusion. This is where edl obsession gets you.

LOL - I probably was obsessed for a while, captivated even by a level of denseness that I have never come across anywhere before or since. I just could not fathom it, and still struggle to. But I am mostly recovered now, and thanks for the concern.

 

[Citizen66]

I can see what people say is bad about it, and have discussed it far more seriously and respectfully than has ever come the other way regarding it's arguably more redeeming points. Ta.

1) it's shit.
2) it isn't funny.
3) it reveals more about your prejudices than it does anything about the edl.
4) you're so far up your own jacksy that you can't even see it despite being told the same thing by countless people.

 

[J Ed]

And yes, lots of EDLers do seem to think about muslims having sex with children rather too much, it's fucking weird and pointing it out is no great sin.

Obviously I think that the anger is very much misdirected here from legitimate anger at a tiny minority to anger at everyone perceived as Muslim but are you suggesting that it is illegitimate for people to be furious about and preoccupied with grooming gangs? Knowing that enslavement and rape of children went on and continues to go on under our noses across the country makes me very angry and disgusted, I thought that everyone felt that way.

 

[Limerick Red]

diddyman out and about again today....he fuckin gets about!

 

[Orang Utan]

Apparently they are about to march through Deptford.
Idiots. We're here

 

[Orang Utan]

The EVF though, not the EDL. Splitters!

 

[_angel_]

You're a massive twat, taffboy.

You're my enemy.

I am massively embarrassed for him.

 

[ddraig]

The EVF though, not the EDL. Splitters!

any show?

 

[Delroy Booth]

what is it with prats and appeal to debate club logic.

The pathetic uni debating society language they employ is the funniest thing. You can alway spot a crank by these types of words. "retract" or "fallacy" or "substantiate" or "engage" or perhaps using words like "one" instead of "I" as if just littering your ill-thought out brainfarts with words that you think people who are posh use lends it some special legitimacy. See also whinging and moaning about "ad hom" or "respectfully debating" no fuck that, that's just an excuse to deflect attention away from the content of their argument.

 

[DotCommunist]

The pathetic uni debating society language they employ is the funniest thing. You can alway spot a crank by these types of words. "retract" or "fallacy" or "substantiate" or "engage" or perhaps using words like "one" instead of "I" as if just littering your ill-thought out brainfarts with words that you think people who are posh use lends it some special legitimacy. See also whinging and moaning about "ad hom" or "respectfully debating" no fuck that, that's just an excuse to deflect attention away from the content of their argument.

its because they see it as fencing. Riposte! counter-thrust! en garde!

give me a buckler and an english backsword. Honest.

 

[frogwoman]

The pathetic uni debating society language they employ is the funniest thing. You can alway spot a crank by these types of words. "retract" or "fallacy" or "substantiate" or "engage" or perhaps using words like "one" instead of "I" as if just littering your ill-thought out brainfarts with words that you think people who are posh use lends it some special legitimacy. See also whinging and moaning about "ad hom" or "respectfully debating" no fuck that, that's just an excuse to deflect attention away from the content of their argument.

paradigm

 

[J Ed]

Epistemologically

 

[Anudder Oik]

Sky news caught up the the guy with the Mosque boom tattoo.

 

[Orang Utan]

any show?

No. Fizzled out - it was raining and there are no pubs on the supposed route and they're so thick they probably would have got lost too. Would have been ill-advised as the locals would have run them out

 

[ddraig]

careful now! you'll have half the thread after ya!

 

[AKA pseudonym]

ZCompany Hacking Crew (ZHC) takes English Defence League. EDL Northampton Division II facebook group over....

We have infiltrated the admins and their entire friends list we also have your photographs
WATCH THIS SPACE ZHC HURRICAINE STRIKES AGAIN

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Obviously I think that the anger is very much misdirected here from legitimate anger at a tiny minority to anger at everyone perceived as Muslim but are you suggesting that it is illegitimate for people to be furious about and preoccupied with grooming gangs? Knowing that enslavement and rape of children went on and continues to go on under our noses across the country makes me very angry and disgusted, I thought that everyone felt that way.

Of course outrage is appropriate against grooming gangs, on the basis of the crime and not the ethnicity or supposed faith of the criminal.

As with women and animal rights, the purpose of the EDL and general far right is clearly to exploit victims.

Child abuse sadly happens across all sections of society. There may be patterns within modes of abuse, in general it is highly dangerous to point at any faith, ethnicity, class etc as being responsible. The EDL obsess about a very narrow error for political capital.

I'd be shocked if you or the people who "liked" that post were unaware of this dynamic.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

The pathetic uni debating society language they employ is the funniest thing. You can alway spot a crank by these types of words. "retract" or "fallacy" or "substantiate" or "engage" or perhaps using words like "one" instead of "I" as if just littering your ill-thought out brainfarts with words that you think people who are posh use lends it some special legitimacy. See also whinging and moaning about "ad hom" or "respectfully debating" no fuck that, that's just an excuse to deflect attention away from the content of their argument.

I had no idea that certain words were off limits in making points, rendering the user to be judged a "crank"

Is there a more formal guide we can refer to in future, or can we just make up a list as we go along?

If I am wrapped up in that attack (possibly am not) I have never sought to deflect attention from critique, always dealt with it head on.

Why the fuck would anyone come on here wanting to be thought "posh"?

Certain words and phrases can annoy on a personal level though. I share Frogwomans disdain for "paradigm".

 

[laptop]

I had no idea.

Edited for precision.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Sorry, had someone said something about "deflecting attention away from content of argument"...?

 

[Miss-Shelf]

I ended up at lunar house today a purely by acident s I was in croydon and saw the gathering
first thought was that it was edl then there seemed to be PCS flags too mingled in- what was that about? Am i misding some facsit group with initials pcs or are they in cahhots with fascists??

was a fair amount of anti fascist presence and some good conversations at the bus stop queue

 

[ddraig]

evf, similar shite

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I ended up at lunar house today a purely by acident s I was in croydon and saw the gathering
first thought was that it was edl then there seemed to be PCS flags too mingled in- what was that about? Am i misding some facsit group with initials pcs or are they in cahhots with fascists??

was a fair amount of anti fascist presence and some good conversations at the bus stop queue

something about it (written in advance) on the transpontine blog here

i would have thought that the PCS were part of the anti-EVF demo

 

[tony.c]

i would have thought that the PCS were part of the anti-EVF demo

I think the PCS branch at Lunar House organised the ant-EVF mobilisation, or at least sponsored it.

 

[malatesta32]

diddyman out and about again today....he fuckin gets about!

where does he get his money???????????????

 

[malatesta32]

I never suggested you did. This all started IIRC because you refused to condemn those that do. Your enemy's enemy isn't always your friend mate.

yes i know. the point i was trying to make is that it is implicit by the political slant of the writers - anarchist - that we are hardly anti-working class. we just dont waste time slaggging off ALL the people we dislike but that does not condone something. we have never slagged the queen off, does that mean we therefore 'support' the old trout?

 

[Citizen66]

yes i know. the point i was trying to make is that it is implicit by the political slant of the writers - anarchist - that we are hardly anti-working class. we just dont waste time slaggging off ALL the people we dislike but that does not condone something. we have never slagged the queen off, does that mean we therefore 'support' the old trout?

Do you frequently use the Queen as one of your sources and provide links to her website?