Ranbay
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Best one yet, they called him out on loads of stuff for a change.
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Best one yet, they called him out on loads of stuff for a change.
How do people think Robinson handled it, imo, he did 'very well' and managed to get his points out, appear as a 'family man' , batted away questions on his past and only got flustered at points where he took a drink then got back on track, it wasn't Neils finest hour, I think TR is now getting some very good media training, I think he could move away from being a figure of satire.
malatesta32
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edit: they seem to give him an easy go of it most times. didn't see this one but the researchers and interviewers are just as clueless about 'radical islam'' as he is.
Hmm yes I thought that too tbh and despite efforts to get him riled he stayed calm.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I think I'd largely agree that he 'did well' with some pretty obvious, pre-prepared responses to the obvious questions that Neil would throw at him. Thought Neil's researchers left his accusations looking rather vague, and hence fairly easy for TR to rebuff. Neil also seemed a little clueless about how to engage with a pressure/political group with a claim of no formal membership list. Difficult to discern to what degree TR's media ability is down to training or raw intellect/nerve, but his nervous looking, off camera glances (to 'minders'?) and the reliance on the cup of coffee prop did give the (intended?) impression of the under-dog.
Most worryingly, I can imagine that my working class, UKIP voting father would have found alot of what he said attractive.
I think I'd largely agree that he 'did well' with some pretty obvious, pre-prepared responses to the obvious questions that Neil would throw at him. Thought Neil's researchers left his accusations looking rather vague, and hence fairly easy for TR to rebuff. Neil also seemed a little clueless about how to engage with a pressure/political group with a claim of no formal membership list. Difficult to discern to what degree TR's media ability is down to training or raw intellect/nerve, but his nervous looking, off camera glances (to 'minders'?) and the reliance on the cup of coffee prop did give the (intended?) impression of the under-dog.
Most worryingly, I can imagine that my working class, UKIP voting father would have found alot of what he said attractive.
This, Neil seemed out of his depth with a non traditional political entity which is not(for now) looking for votes, but feet/boots on the street, though the logic of social change is that if the group is to become more widely accepted it will have to temper its message, especially anything to do with violence, which overall is not popular in England as political expression.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
its NWI - infidels. a splinter group who are much more far right and hate tommy - cos tommy is on telly and they aint!
Corax
Luke 5:16
treelover said:
I was thinking the same about the training. I was watching one of his post Woolwich videos the other day and his hand movements were straight out of the Tony Blair school of public speaking. His content was also much more calculated than previously - lots about how great the Sikhs are, how much he likes the Amidiyah Muslims, but then finished off with an angry rant about the wives and children of soldiers living in fear. Something for everyone.
He comes accross better than he used to, but it's still not hard to catch him out. I don't think most people believe the "we're not racist, honest" stuff and never have - the EDL won that reputation for themselves by acting consistently racist since they started. Racist chants at demos and nazi salutes don't help. The way they act makes people think they're just a re-run of the NF, and it's one of the reasons why they ended up declining because that sort of stuff alienates a lot of people who might otherwise support the anti-Islamic extremism stuff.
The more interesting question is to do with why is he getting all the publicity now? They're getting indulged massively, more than Griffin ever was and Griffin actually had a much more solid claim to be being entitled time on the BBC, on the back of his MEP status and the number of councillors the BNP had, than the EDL ever has.
The more interesting question is to do with why is he getting all the publicity now? They're getting indulged massively, more than Griffin ever was and Griffin actually had a much more solid claim to be being entitled time on the BBC, on the back of his MEP status and the number of councillors the BNP had, than the EDL ever has.
cesare
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I imagine it's possibly to do with why the state quite likes A-to-B marches - legitimising an outlet for dissent that can then be controlled.
And I reckon the state probably wants those marches to be kept under the EDL umbrella, rather than continuing splintering off into all these little mini-groups which are harder to track and infiltrate as we've seen happen as the EDL imploded last year.
Ranbay
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After EDL interview I've had death threats, been called a Muslim (whatever), an IRA sympathiser and of course a c***. All in a day's work.
After EDL interview I've had death threats, been called a Muslim (whatever), an IRA sympathiser and of course a c***. All in a day's work.
FridgeMagnet
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Well, he is a c***. People have been calling him that for a while, though.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Try it. Ask them what the EDL is actually for/against, and how they aim to achieve this, and ask how he thinks what they're doing at the moment helps this. Ask if they think what the EDL are protesting about 'on behalf of the working class' is actual the biggest problem facing the working class, white or otherwise, or I they can think of anything else that might be more significant. Ask if they think they might be a state-endorsed diversion from these other problems.
Ask why Tommy is making a fuss about potential paedos hanging around a school in Ashton and why the EDL is protesting about this, and how it fits with their aims. Then ask why, if all they have is a description of the 'predators' as 'Asian' with no mention of religion, that protesting this isn't being done on the basis of race alone? Isn't that a bit racist?
My concern at the moment is that the media attention they are now getting justifies what they have been doing. Shame it doesn't work for anyone else holding protests.
Ask why Tommy is making a fuss about potential paedos hanging around a school in Ashton and why the EDL is protesting about this, and how it fits with their aims. Then ask why, if all they have is a description of the 'predators' as 'Asian' with no mention of religion, that protesting this isn't being done on the basis of race alone? Isn't that a bit racist?
My concern at the moment is that the media attention they are now getting justifies what they have been doing. Shame it doesn't work for anyone else holding protests.
As someone not involved, yes! If he/she is willing to engage in a debate, have it.
FridgeMagnet
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Do you want to have a pointless argument with comment sections full of trolls? Fair enough, some people enjoy that sort of thing, but if you don't then no.
SpackleFrog
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Well obviously there's no circumstance in which it would be "good" but basically I was hoping that the headline would be "man stabs police officer" as opposed to "Muslim stabs police officer". And if the attacker had been an EDL member it would have done a lot more to put people off them than Andrew bloody Neil.
On a separate UAF-are-shit type point, this article from the Torygraph today speaks volumes. It scares me that I agree with some if it.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journali...2496/Anti-fascists-fuel-the-fire-of-hate.html
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
If you're gonna do it, look through their twitter feed first; it might be worth it, might not.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Reads a bit like a shitty hatchet job to me, with no real reply from UAF, though some of the criticisms are valid and have been voiced in this thread.
But they're doing that thing of lumping all anti-fascists together as the UAF, which is not ever the case, even if it's UAF-organised events people turn up for.
But they're doing that thing of lumping all anti-fascists together as the UAF, which is not ever the case, even if it's UAF-organised events people turn up for.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Maybe but the fact it alleges that the UAF held a protest on a war memorial and the EDL didn't even show is a bit worrying. They asked Weymann Bennett for comment.
It's Andrew Gilligan ffs it's not like he hasn't got form. His previous article about TellMAMA and how anti-muslim attacks are made up was a risible attempt to excuse and apologise for the EDL terrorising muslims - regardless of how accurate TellMAMA is there's been a definite increase in anti-muslim bigotry, this is not something conjoured up out of the imaginations of the Vast Islamo-Marxist Left-wing Globalist conspiracy. Surely he must realise that article would come back to haunt him the next time some Breivik type nutter goes and kills a load of people?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
These 'strong' EDL fronts seem to be being treated differently by the police than the EDL itself is
Actually its main stream practise to invite march leaders to meet with the Police. Normally the EDL turn up but UAF doesn't.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
they clearly havent heard strait out of compton then?
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