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I really dont see the problem, surely if give credence to the EDL if you DONT remove them, not that the thought would enter the UAFs head.
so, how do you remove them? You gonna get into a fight on the demo? Or do you think they will simply politely acquiesce to your request?
 
It isn't a case of removing them. If UAF's message was opposing Nationalism AND Extreme Islamism, Islamists may not feel inclined to join the demonstration in the first place.
UAF is anti-fascist, not anti-'extremist', so there is no reason for it to oppose both. I don't believe the two are equivalent. And I can well imagine some 'extremist' group calling a demo AS WELL as UAF, so what then?

You would actually have to physically remove the new 'enemy,' there'd be no getting around it. And as soon as the Islamic 'extremists' had been dealt with, the demand would be to remove the white lefty extremists, and so on and so forth.
 
cesare said:
Don't the UAF just decide whatever demo is their demo and try and organise it accordingly?

Well they tend to liaise with the old bill and have their demo in a completely different place to where there's any fash. But yeah, they are pretty good at pulling several groups together and having it under their banner, but it's largely 'official' types; labour activists, the unions etc.
 
belboid said:
UAF is anti-fascist, not anti-'extremist', so there is no reason for it to oppose both. I don't believe the two are equivalent. And I can well imagine some 'extremist' group calling a demo AS WELL as UAF, so what then?

You would actually have to physically remove the new 'enemy,' there'd be no getting around it. And as soon as the Islamic 'extremists' had been dealt with, the demand would be to remove the white lefty extremists, and so on and so forth.

If you don't see Islamists as being as bad as the fash then you've got serious problems with your analysis.
 
Well they tend to liaise with the old bill and have their demo in a completely different place to where there's any fash. But yeah, they are pretty good at pulling several groups together and having it under their banner, but it's largely 'official' types; labour activists, the unions etc.
Last weeks demo where this 'jihadist' turned up was a UAF demo. you'd have refused to turn up then? Or would you have gone 'naah, this isnt really a UAF demo so its okay' - in which case your argument that jihadists wouldnt turn up if UAF said they weren't welcome wouldn't really apply either. you cant have it both ways
 
It isn't a case of removing them. If UAF's message was opposing Nationalism AND Extreme Islamism, Islamists may not feel inclined to join the demonstration in the first place.

But quite clearly, it isn't, and as long as they retain a simplistic

my enemy's enemy is my friend​

perspective, that isn't going to change. Jihadists are welcome, Anti-Fash anarchists (for example) are not
 
UAF is anti-fascist, not anti-'extremist', so there is no reason for it to oppose both. I don't believe the two are equivalent. And I can well imagine some 'extremist' group calling a demo AS WELL as UAF, so what then?

You would actually have to physically remove the new 'enemy,' there'd be no getting around it. And as soon as the Islamic 'extremists' had been dealt with, the demand would be to remove the white lefty extremists, and so on and so forth.

Either that or get the cops to do it for you, eh?
 
UAF is anti-fascist, not anti-'extremist', so there is no reason for it to oppose both. I don't believe the two are equivalent. And I can well imagine some 'extremist' group calling a demo AS WELL as UAF, so what then?

You would actually have to physically remove the new 'enemy,' there'd be no getting around it. And as soon as the Islamic 'extremists' had been dealt with, the demand would be to remove the white lefty extremists, and so on and so forth.

you're right. the two aren't equivalent. after all, fascists have never bombed transport links like stations have they? they never bombed bologna like jihadis never bombed madrid or london. jihadis never cut people down in the street like racists did stephen lawrence, do they? fucking get over yourself you daft twat
 
belboid said:
Last weeks demo where this 'jihadist' turned up was a UAF demo. you'd have refused to turn up then? Or would you have gone 'naah, this isnt really a UAF demo so its okay' - in which case your argument that jihadists wouldnt turn up if UAF said they weren't welcome wouldn't really apply either. you cant have it both ways

I dont understand your point. UAF demos are well publicised and their position made clear (including which anti fascists are unwelcome which includes me btw).
 
you're right. the two aren't equivalent. after all, fascists have never bombed transport links like stations have they? they never bombed bologna like jihadis never bombed madrid or london. jihadis never cut people down in the street like racists did stephen lawrence, do they? fucking get over yourself you daft twat
off you go to set up the Anti-Extermist League with Citizen then. Otherwise you are just sound and fury.
 
Now who's the fucking liar?
You
I dont understand your point. UAF demos are well publicised and their position made clear (including which anti fascists are unwelcome which includes me btw).
I've never seen UAF taking down anarcho flags etc, nor seen them saying or implying even that anarchos aren't welcome.

You dont think 'jihadists' should be on anti-fascist demos - how are you going to stop them?
 
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