butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It's marvelous that you use your freedom to tar others as pro-UAF, pro-platform for fundies pro-"neo-fascism", pro-"ultra-right" etc. Could you point out the pro-UAF posters or some of their posts please?
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It's marvelous that you use your freedom to tar others as pro-UAF, pro-platform for fundies pro-"neo-fascism", pro-"ultra-right" etc. Could you point out the pro-UAF posters or some of their posts please?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Twat.
elbows
Well-Known Member
The Islamists who plotted to attack an EDL rally got sentences of 18-19 years:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22841573
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22841573
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Blimey that's pretty hefty. (Waits for treelover to come along and ask if the UAF are supporting the prisoners 
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)butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I wonder if it's ok to say that the religious part of the justification these idiots offered was religious? Or, like the murders the other week, are we supposed to only view them as political?
Ranbay
The same rules apply
'Horrible weapon' love that bit.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
I think it is really important to be able to reflect on and debate whether our own side is doing the right thing at a strategic and tactical level without people getting all presumptious and accusatory. Lessons need to be learned from these last 2 weeks and debates need oxygen.
On another note, there really are loads of videos from saturday's events at Sheffield that can allow you to build up a picture of what was going on all over the place. Some posts back it was claimed that the police favored the EDL but it turns out that a group of them were kettled for 2 hours under the baking sun only to be released in pairs at 10 minute intervals in the direction of waiting antis. This has happened before and seems a clear disuasory tactic by the old bill.
On one video there's a guy debating with them thru the barriers at the memorial from the opposite side of the protest on the steps. He gets growled at by a couple who are really thick but others engage with him and the hostility abates and turns to an exchange of opinions. Looked hopeful.
According to a fash forum there was a case of friendly fire. They say an anti EDL protestor was heckling them when they were kettled and that a Somali ran up behind him and knocked him out.
At first I thought this was the usual lies but there is a video that shows a quite seriously injured bloke outside the Kettle in no man's land between the 2 opposing groups. If so I hope it's not as serious as it looks.
On another note, there really are loads of videos from saturday's events at Sheffield that can allow you to build up a picture of what was going on all over the place. Some posts back it was claimed that the police favored the EDL but it turns out that a group of them were kettled for 2 hours under the baking sun only to be released in pairs at 10 minute intervals in the direction of waiting antis. This has happened before and seems a clear disuasory tactic by the old bill.
On one video there's a guy debating with them thru the barriers at the memorial from the opposite side of the protest on the steps. He gets growled at by a couple who are really thick but others engage with him and the hostility abates and turns to an exchange of opinions. Looked hopeful.
According to a fash forum there was a case of friendly fire. They say an anti EDL protestor was heckling them when they were kettled and that a Somali ran up behind him and knocked him out.
At first I thought this was the usual lies but there is a video that shows a quite seriously injured bloke outside the Kettle in no man's land between the 2 opposing groups. If so I hope it's not as serious as it looks.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
that is simply a lie. Events happened just as J Ed described them. The EDL chucked the flowers, they were picked up and 'redistributed.' And the video you were incapable of finding was just posted on the thread twice.
The 'negative behaviour' isnt from students, its from the EDL.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
I'm not in Sheffield but I know him through PCS. Can't see the link as it's blocked at work but heard he got attacked after the demo Saturday.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
My only experience of Belboid is that I said something that was true that happened to me and he just started calling me a liar, so even though I don't agree with what you post, we can infer something from that.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
What do people think about the pacifist flag being put on the war memorial? Personally I find it quite uncomfortable, for the same reason that I found the Sheffield Students' Union selling white poppies (but not red ones) very uncomfortable. The pacifists in WW2 were often basically mouthpieces for Nazi Germany, it's a bit too "fuck those who fight violence with violence" for me.
J Ed, where do you get that from?, the Peace Pledge Union were terrified of another war like WW1, it may have helped appeasement but it was a common view in the thirties, even the Cambridge Union voted for a motion that said "this house will not fight for king and country", many pacifists were jailed or saw very active service in the Ambulance Service in WW2.
Yeah, that's what it's about.
Extreme Islamism should be challenged AS WELL as the far right.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Stop telling lies then. You do it repeatedly. On this thread and others.
And I didn't mention the girl on the war memorial because I wasn't there and have no idea about it.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
the only time I recall arguing with you on any thread, is when you were coming out with liberal (ie quite right wing in the circumstances) tosh after the death of Chavez. You eventually admitted (not specifically in response to me, but to the many many people challenging your simplistic belief) that you had been a bit naive. I have no recollection of you talking about anything you did yourself at all.
Favelado
J'adore South Shore
A journalist friend of mine had seen some rather cynical manipulation of the pueblo before the great leader's arrival. You said it was a lie that this had happened and then started to claim the person I knew wasn't a journalist etc etc. I was wrong to a significant extent about Chávez (as are you to a much lesser one) and it was good to learn from some of the excellent stuff that was written by a guy called Ayatollah if I remember correctly.
I think it's possible that you like to shriek "liar" at people who disagree with you. Last word on this is yours though if you want though. I won't further derail thread.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
aah, that, yes, I recall. A quick google said that what she had done as not what you claimed. She was (iirr, off the top of my head) a trainee not the senior person you presented her as.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Sieg heiling at a war memorial is far more serious than a girl dancing at one, that's for sure, but just because they are the badies and the students are the goodies doesn't mean that mistakes aren't being made and that the perception the public has of the students and counter protestors is automatically a good one.
One rule in Politics is that when arguing a point with someone, it is not so much the winning over of the opponent that counts but the winning over of the people standing around watching the quarrel.
The counter protestors can't afford to take anything for granted and more sus is required on their part.
As for that Video, it's here on the thread and clearly shows someone wrapped in a dodgy flag chucking those flowers.
Can anyone identify what flag it is?
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Black with white writing.
Some Islamic flag then I think.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
Of course opinion matters to an extent, but the effect of a poorly shot video seen by hardly anyone isn't that important. Personally, i'd have left the flowers lying in the pond where the idiots chucked them. But what looks like quite a few people started picking them up and passing, then chucking, them around. Not just one bloke with an islamist flag, allsorts. From where I was standing it looked like the lass who had the flowers thrown at her started chucking them around, and I couldnt really object to her doing so. The EDL did give them to her after all.
As to what the flag actually was...no one is actually quite sure. It has arabic writing and the obvious assumption is that it is part of the shahada (ie proper islamist, not a nice mild variety). But no one has actually identified it as such.
Since when was it ok for someone to just be milling around at a UAF demo with an Islamist flag unchallenged? I mean never mind the flowers can we have a discussion about this?
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