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This never happened.

All sorts have been said on the subject of wreaths and the UAF last week, the best is that I've heard people saying that the UAF were actually picking up and eating poppies from the war memorial! Eating!

What actually happened was that the EDL threw a wreath at the anti-EDL demo across police lines when they couldn't get through, it landed next to a fountain and UAF members picked up the flowers and gave them to each other.

edit: not to suggest that your overall concerns aren't valid, they are.


I'm sorry but they didn't, some protestors shredded/ripped them to bits, with some of the crowd cheering(there is footage of this, though can't find it right now) this week a young girl danced on the war memorial after she had put a CND banner on it, the right will use this behaviour for ammunition.


btw, much of the negative behaviour is by young students, etc many though not all who have no real political culture, live largely sheltered lives, do other students confront them about this or is it this is about the only demo they will go this year. Then there are the student rev soc's who should know better but appear to just shout ridiculous slogans like, "if the police weren't here you'd be dead"

these are making up a significant element of Left Unity, doesn't bode well.
 
I'm sorry but they didn't, some protestors shredded/ripped them to bits, with some of the crowd cheering(there is footage of this, though can't find it right now) this week a young girl danced on the war memorial after she had put a CND banner on it, the right will use this for ammunition.

A CND banner won't be much use as ammunition.
 
Anudder Oik - I don't understand what those clips are supposed to show or prove.

1. Certain aspects of the Counter protests are providing ammunition for the EDL. The jihadi flags appearing have been discussed elsewhere.
2. The organizers of the EDL are interested in image and making their organization grow, as opposed to just wasting time and being drunk, like a poster said a couple of pages back before apparently being banned and having his posts wiped.
 
Fair answer. But edl youtube clips are always going to be chosen and edited to show themselves in the best light and the antifascists in the worst light, aren't they?
 
Fair answer. But edl youtube clips are always going to be chosen and edited to show themselves in the best light and the antifascists in the worst light, aren't they?

Yes, that goes without saying. The video just shows how their leadership have tried to mold some discipline into their ranks of basically angry unruly cannon fodder.

The point I tried to make in post 12982 is that the same seriousness of approach or even common sense has not been forthcoming from the official counter-protest organizers. They seem haphazard to me. I am starting to wonder who they think they are aiming their message at.
Some actions could be seen as insensative given the high running emotions after the Woolwich attack.
 
treelover
No I'm not him. I believe he posts under his full name occasionally on here.
And I certainly don't have any sympathy with fundamentalist Islamists, or fundamentalist Christians, fundamentalist Jews, fundamentalist Hindus, or any other fundamentalists. I think people are entitled to believe in anything they want to as long as it doesn't involve hating others who don't share their beliefs.
This doesn't apply to fascists though.
 
I've been doing some work on my uncle's allotment today, putting some guttering on his shed so the rainwater collects into a big old plastic chemical drum with the top cut off it. I didn't bother looking inside before I picked it up and so was ignorant of the fact he put a mix of fucking chicken and horse shit or summat in there with water and left it to 'mature'. Spilt it all over myself and my tool box - I can still smell it :D

I:D
 
yes, I thought you might, like a few others on here, bizarre really and perhaps a reflection on their views about critical engagement with radical islam, in that just talking about it makes you a shill for the EDL, fucking nonsense basically.

shit thread anyway, full of silly screen grabs, and comdemnathons preaching to the converted, the hard work is elsewhere like Unite Community Union, etc who are trying to engage with all marginalised communities..
 
yes, I thought you might

Well actually I did have some sympathy for you when others were having a go at you. I didn't know whether you were being naïve or provocative. But I did take offence when you accused me of being sympathetic to islamist fundamentalists. Seems you haven't read my previous posts, as did those who liked your post.
Anyway no problem. I did tend to skim read your posts, but will try to understand them more in future - though I don't always have the time.
 
I have a theory that the 'Nazis' only exist to
1) keep the SWPs united front of a special kind theory going ,
2) give the the anarchist anti fascist scene something to do than standing outside Oxfam opposing world capitalism and precariosity
3) keep Bob2009 busy in between being a father, doing the kitchen, the allotment and taking pictures of badly parked cars
4) help Malatestsa write his book


its also a day out for some of us mate!
 
Yes, that goes without saying. The video just shows how their leadership have tried to mold some discipline into their ranks of basically angry unruly cannon fodder.

The point I tried to make in post 12982 is that the same seriousness of approach or even common sense has not been forthcoming from the official counter-protest organizers. They seem haphazard to me. I am starting to wonder who they think they are aiming their message at.
Some actions could be seen as insensative given the high running emotions after the Woolwich attack.

Definitely agree with that. The response I got when I suggested laying our own wreath might be a good idea to show we weren't against paying respects etc was an eye opener.
 
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Definitely agree with that. The response I got when I suggested laying our own wreath might be a good idea to show we weren't against paying respects etc was an eye opener.

Ironic really, as hundreds of anti's ended up looking at all the wreaths, paying their respects, etc when the barriers were opened.
 
SpineyNorman said:
Definitely agree with that. The response I got when I suggested laying our own wreath might be a good idea to show we weren't against paying respects etc was an eye opener.

We decided to keep away from any edl wreath laying, it can only look like you're opposing people paying their respects which would be a propaganda coup for them. You have to pick your battles.
 
Well as you ask, I had my doubts about you, Oswald Moseley/Charlie Chaplin, and our recent member protesticals.
But I might be a bit paranoid.:hmm:

Me EDL? :) Apart from thinking they are a bunch of Moronic, bigoted,violent, thuggish buffoons. I have no interest in football, far right politics, tarring all muslims as Islamacists, shouting "Allah is a Paedo". Being a vegan I am repulsed by their use of the dead heads of pigs.

Essentially you mean because I don't like the UAF and their supply of a platform for far-right religious extremists with their anti Gay, misogynist and homophobic rants.

Or is it some Hitler was a vegetarian nonsense ?
 
Don't know the other two but you're definitely miles off with treelover. Can people really not tell the difference between fash and people they disagree with?

I think some people don't want to know or are so obsessed with their own sectarian attitude to politics that they slander anyone who has a contrary position to their own (generally extremist) position. I think my attitude to the EDL is quite clear.
 
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