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treelover said:
J Ed, where do you get that from?, the Peace Pledge Union were terrified of another war like WW1, it may have helped appeasement but it was a common view in the thirties, even the Cambridge Union voted for a motion that said "this house will not fight for king and country", many pacifists were jailed or saw very active service in the Ambulance Service in WW2.
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Certainly elements within the pacifists before war broke out flirted with progerman groups such as the Link and after September 1939 held talks with Mosley about joint opposition to the war. Others were involved with the people's assembly, controlled by the communists, who were in alliance through the Comintern with Hitler
 
Citizen66 said:
They probably rationalise/justify it because Islamists are commited anti-capitalists. Or something.
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The SWP position is with the islamists sometimes. With the state- never. Which feeds through to UAF without ever being openly stated. Especially not when they're loudly calling on the state to ban the BNP/edl etc.
 
butchersapron said:
Especially not when they're loudly calling on the state to ban the BNP/edl etc.
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And in cahoots with people who (or perhaps directly responsible for, it remains unclear) get anti-fascists collars felt on the Newcastle demo. They're still yet to distance themselves from Newcastle Unites.
 
barney_pig said:
Certainly elements within the pacifists before war broke out flirted with progerman groups such as the Link and after September 1939 held talks with Mosley about joint opposition to the war. Others were involved with the people's assembly, controlled by the communists, who were in alliance through the Comintern with Hitler
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any sources, links?
 
Peace News March 26th 1938 - Booth writing in support of the Nazi Anschluss.

This stuff is not in dispute Kenny and was noted at the time: an example from the wikipedia page on the publication

The fact that some PN contributors were sup porting appeasement and excusing Nazi actions caused PN contributor David Spreckley to express fears that "in their scramble for peace", they were gaining "some questionable allies".
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Peace News, 10 November 1939 (p. 9), quoted in Martin Ceadel, Semi-Detached Idealists:the British Peace Movement and International Relations, 1854-1945 Oxford University Press, 2000 (p. 398).
 
Got to hope a few of the mosque-burners get some stiff sentences too - any hint of unequal justice would give rise to problems, wouldn't it? Not that the would-be Dewsbury attackers don't deserve their 18 years.

TR is a prick for gloating in court too, it's like he's deliberately goading these fucks into carrying out attacks, stirring shit. People with nothing to do with this crap will end up getting hurt.
 
Delroy Booth said:
Since when was it ok for someone to just be milling around at a UAF demo with an Islamist flag unchallenged? I mean never mind the flowers can we have a discussion about this?
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Was it definitely an 'islamist' flag?

As far as I saw in the video it wasn't the 'black standard' that was linked to earlier - but it was similar in being black with white arabic text on it. Are these universally an islamist/jihadi thing?

If so, then it *should* have been challenged if anyone realised. But tbh I certainly wouldn't have done, and although I don't like to judge others by my own levels of ignorance I nonetheless think it's possible that none there other than the guy holding it and his mates knew it was either.

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Uncertainty removed - the link took me to this flag:

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But earlier in the wiki article is this image:

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Fuck, It is the black flag of Jihad (pause video at 0.06s)



Only 6000 views so far on this other video posted up before. 1000 a day. Not to mention the thousands who will have viewed it on FB as the EDL publicise it and have a field day.

Well done UAF, you are helping to recruit for the EDL. They need you. Sort out your fucking stewarding.

 
Well done UAF, you are helping to recruit for the EDL. They need you. Sort out your fucking stewarding.
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and its fellow travellers on here, perhaps they should show some humility and be aware that others have different views but can back them up

when are people going to learn, social media changes the game for all sides.
 
treelover said:
and its fellow travellers on here, perhaps they should show some humility and be aware that others have different views but can back them up

when are people going to learn, social media changes the game for all sides.
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I'm not sure there are many on here with a UAF fanclub badge tbh?
 
Anudder Oik said:
Well done UAF, you are helping to recruit for the EDL. They need you. Sort out your fucking stewarding.[/media]
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How would you actually do that? Go and grab the flag? Demand said people leave the demo? And what do you do if they tell you to fuck off, they have as much right to be there as you do? (which they undoubtedly would do). You physically remove them? Thus giving credence to the EDL's campaign against 'extremist' muslims? You can see the problem, I'm sure.

And, btw, there is no such thing as 'the black flag of Jihad.' There are flags for various groups. Have you identified which?
 
Corax said:
Was it definitely an 'islamist' flag?

As far as I saw in the video it wasn't the 'black standard' that was linked to earlier - but it was similar in being black with white arabic text on it. Are these universally an islamist/jihadi thing?

If so, then it *should* have been challenged if anyone realised. But tbh I certainly wouldn't have done, and although I don't like to judge others by my own levels of ignorance I nonetheless think it's possible that none there other than the guy holding it and his mates knew it was either.

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Uncertainty removed - the link took me to this flag:

220px-Sharia_flag.svg.png


But earlier in the wiki article is this image:

220px-Flag_of_Jihad.svg.png
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'Prism whistle' post.
Calling Fort Meade....
 
Citizen66 said:
UAF isn't synonymous with counter demo.
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Must have said this many times. "The Myth Of The UAF", that the UAF is synomymous with counter demo is upheld by 3 groups:

1) The UAF - stupendously arrogant vanguardism

2) The EDL and apologists - A single "enemy" is simple to hate, it also aids to smear the mistakes of the UAF on to all opponents

3) The media, still often astonishingly stupid and simplistic in covering a subject (EDL) that they have had 4 years to brush up on.
 
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