DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
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tony.c
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SpineyNorman
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This is all getting a little bit predictable. And if, as you imply, the far left would suffer some kind of existential crisis if it didn't have the EDL/alternative far right loons to shout at what's served as the substitute for the last couple of decades in Sheffield?
Your comments are either so obvious as to not need making or just plan wrong. Especially as the majority of people there yesterday weren't even far left.
And when you've got a deep green like protesticals who'd genocide the working class to save a rare breed of algae liking your posts you're probably in trouble.
SpineyNorman
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Yeah I do - he's a bit spart-like but basically a good egg. Shows what cowards they are, he's only a little fella and three of them decided to jump him. Cunts.
SpineyNorman
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Who's that? (PM if need be)
SpineyNorman
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At least there's one thing we agree on then.
SpineyNorman
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Would you say society is being infantilised too? Are you sure you're from Sheffield?
I see two possibilities here. Either LLETSA has got better at hiding or you're a mediocre tribute act. Which is it?
Or a fash's fat ugly toothless bald head.
But make sure it's not me.
no, you just censor posts on Islamic fundamentalism, this is a free speech site unlike yours.
protesticals
Active Member
Damned right. Although I need some to collect and spread manure on my organic garden.
SpineyNorman
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Damned right. Although I need some to collect and spread manure on my organic garden.
I've been doing some work on my uncle's allotment today, putting some guttering on his shed so the rainwater collects into a big old plastic chemical drum with the top cut off it. I didn't bother looking inside before I picked it up and so was ignorant of the fact he put a mix of fucking chicken and horse shit or summat in there with water and left it to 'mature'. Spilt it all over myself and my tool box - I can still smell it
What are your views on handing out violence against groups like the EDL or BNP?
If you see somebody in the street who is an EDL supporter are they fair game to attack? What about if you are at one of these counter demonstrations and you see some of them on their way home. Do you attack them or fight back only in self defence if physically threatened?
Does it depend on the faction they are in? Is an EDL person less worse than somebody who is in the NF or is it one and the same?
Let me know thanks.
If you see somebody in the street who is an EDL supporter are they fair game to attack? What about if you are at one of these counter demonstrations and you see some of them on their way home. Do you attack them or fight back only in self defence if physically threatened?
Does it depend on the faction they are in? Is an EDL person less worse than somebody who is in the NF or is it one and the same?
Let me know thanks.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Who are you asking?thanks.
Anyone that goes to counter-demonstrations. I suppose it differs between different individuals?
Ranbay
The same rules apply
Depends where they are trying to get to or do.
No.
No/I would fight back if they kicked off.
Depends where they are trying to get to or do.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
tony.c
Well-Known Member
Eh? wtf are you on about? I think you're confusing me with someone else. I don't have a site, censorious or not.
edit: And to those who liked edllovers post, after 6 months posting on this site, I would have thought you might have known where I am coming from by now. I'm disappointed (at best) about you.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I'm not FROM Sheffield, no.
SpineyNorman
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Are you taking the piss?
SpineyNorman
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Has someone been banned and had their posts deleted or am I just being thick and having trouble following the thread?
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Over the last 2 weeks a lot has been going on re the EDL and their disgraceful efforts to capitalize on the emotional reactions brought about in the direct aftermath of the Woolwich attack.
So, it would be interesting to take a step back and judge whether events have played out in their favour. Have they been successful in gaining back the “soft” support that had been steadily falling away from them? And more importantly, have they improved their standing in working class areas? A sort of reward for crying wolf.
What is the perception of them from the sidelines? I mean amongst people on estates (potential recruits) who are watching and perhaps judging both sides.
The Sieg heiling on a day that they were supposed to be laying wreathes in memory of Lee Rigby is propaganda enough to use against them, let alone the drinking, threat of violence and barely veiled racism in general, but I fear the image given by the mainly middle class people opposing the EDL, occupying war memorials has not been the best either. I am not saying it was a wrong strategy but I would have preferred to have seen a more working class anti fascism rather than what we are seeing at the moment.
Some things have stuck in my mind
At Leeds last week a woman argued with an alleged Edl’er at the memorial. Her arguement? The English don’t exist. Followed by confusion about the universe, the stars and how small we all are. WTF? The guy called her a hippy and walked off.
Then, if that wasn’t bad enough, in Sheffield last week a man in a “jihadi” shirt threw the flowers to be laid at the memorial. What does that look like?
I mention both these events together as I think that middle class anti fascism is seriously flawed and is more likely working to recruit for those they oppose.
It has just been said that image is not relevant in politics, but if you have lived on a council estate you will know that is not true. There is tremendous prejudice against the middle classes, especially the ones who dress scruffy to hide their affluent background. Working class people detect it and dislike it.
There is a saying ”Perception is everything in politics”
The point I am trying to make is that I don’t feel attracted at all to “official” anti EDL protests.
It also makes me sick to hear that working class people have been “outed” on demos and that, as in the case of the “Sheffield BBC” they were mistaken for EDL. That says to me that working class people are foreign or perceived as foreign to anti-fascist politics.
What has British anti-fascism been turned into?
“if it wasn’t for the coppers you’d be dead” Yeah, lets Sneer the oiks to death.
This picture needs to be circulated more...
So, it would be interesting to take a step back and judge whether events have played out in their favour. Have they been successful in gaining back the “soft” support that had been steadily falling away from them? And more importantly, have they improved their standing in working class areas? A sort of reward for crying wolf.
What is the perception of them from the sidelines? I mean amongst people on estates (potential recruits) who are watching and perhaps judging both sides.
The Sieg heiling on a day that they were supposed to be laying wreathes in memory of Lee Rigby is propaganda enough to use against them, let alone the drinking, threat of violence and barely veiled racism in general, but I fear the image given by the mainly middle class people opposing the EDL, occupying war memorials has not been the best either. I am not saying it was a wrong strategy but I would have preferred to have seen a more working class anti fascism rather than what we are seeing at the moment.
Some things have stuck in my mind
At Leeds last week a woman argued with an alleged Edl’er at the memorial. Her arguement? The English don’t exist. Followed by confusion about the universe, the stars and how small we all are. WTF? The guy called her a hippy and walked off.
Then, if that wasn’t bad enough, in Sheffield last week a man in a “jihadi” shirt threw the flowers to be laid at the memorial. What does that look like?
I mention both these events together as I think that middle class anti fascism is seriously flawed and is more likely working to recruit for those they oppose.
It has just been said that image is not relevant in politics, but if you have lived on a council estate you will know that is not true. There is tremendous prejudice against the middle classes, especially the ones who dress scruffy to hide their affluent background. Working class people detect it and dislike it.
There is a saying ”Perception is everything in politics”
The point I am trying to make is that I don’t feel attracted at all to “official” anti EDL protests.
It also makes me sick to hear that working class people have been “outed” on demos and that, as in the case of the “Sheffield BBC” they were mistaken for EDL. That says to me that working class people are foreign or perceived as foreign to anti-fascist politics.
What has British anti-fascism been turned into?
“if it wasn’t for the coppers you’d be dead” Yeah, lets Sneer the oiks to death.
This picture needs to be circulated more...
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
This never happened.
All sorts have been said on the subject of wreaths and the UAF last week, the best is that I've heard people saying that the UAF were actually picking up and eating poppies from the war memorial! Eating!
What actually happened was that the EDL threw a wreath at the anti-EDL demo across police lines when they couldn't get through, it landed next to a fountain and UAF members picked up the flowers and gave them to each other.
edit: not to suggest that your overall concerns aren't valid, they are.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
I've seen the video, the T-shirt is black with arabic writing in white. Similar to the flag that was talked about recently.
SpineyNorman
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Post it up then.
Wasn't sure where to put this but its important so will leave it here
Anjem Choudry has been to the shops to purchase snacks!
Anjem Choudry has been to the shops to purchase snacks!
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
bah, product placement.
Weren't some mad racist group supposed to arrest him by 6 o'clock two weeks ago?
J Ed
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I think he means this one
No one really seems to have much respect for the flowers here
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
Right, found it again. It's not a T-shirt but a flag he wraps around himself.
There's also a video knocking about of the EDL leader briefing them all before setting off to the memorial. Very worried about image he is.
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