EDL watch

[DotCommunist]

The rump remainder of the far left needs the EDL. The EDL need people to shriek at them.

Both sides go home thinking they've participated in politics.

plastic nose dropped off?

 

[Citizen66]

Is this 'comedy glasses' again?

 

[Citizen66]

Jinx dotty

 

[SpineyNorman]

The rump remainder of the far left needs the EDL. The EDL need people to shriek at them.

Both sides go home thinking they've participated in politics.

There's an element of truth to that if by far left you mean the SWP. It's the liberals who really love this shit, makes them feel superior to the ugly smelly stupid proles. Bit like you. But that's hardly a revelation is it?

I'm far left, I'd much rather be doing community or workplace stuff than that.

 

[SpineyNorman]

plastic nose dropped off?

I don't think it's LLETSA. There's usually something at least vaguely interesting and perceptive in his posts and he's not from Sheffield.

 

[seventh bullet]

Welcome, Gene.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Fair enough. But apart from when acting as individuals, this is exactly what the far-left does not do. Instead they're chasing' Nazis.' 'Nazis'ho just so happen to have been invented recently.

You haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Maybe not. It just looks that way to an outsider.

Prior to the killing of Lee Rigby I can't remember the last antifascist mobilisation in Sheffield. Mainly because there's not really been a far right threat that's needed countering so I'm not sure how you've got that impression.

You're more likely to see this:

or this

And of course if yesterday's demo, in which Lib Dems, Labourites and Tories together probably outnumbered the far left was a far left demo then this was one too:

 

[treelover]

I think you will find most on here agree with those sentiments,

btw, heard of left unity, new formation..

 

[treelover]

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2013/06/510307.html

Oh dear, something called The Enfield Army is threatening to 'smash G8 protestors'

one man army or is this the 'ordinary' Enfielders who marched to 'protect their manor'

 

[butchersapron]

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2013/06/510307.html

Oh dear, something called The Enfield Army is threatening to 'smash G8 protestors'

one man army or is this the 'ordinary' Enfielders who marched to 'protect their manor'

No it's not. Why can't you stop running around panicking ffs.

 

[treelover]

I'm just reposting and asking for opinions, again stop trying to police the boards.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm just reposting and asking for opinions, again stop trying to police the boards.

Telling you to stop panicking over some knob on some obscure site is exactly the sort of internal policing that's needed. Why the frig did you think it was a good idea to goo looking for and then post some irrelevant internet threat from elsewhere? You're out of control with this stuff right now.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm just reposting and asking for opinions, again stop trying to police the boards.

But not my opinion.

 

[The39thStep]

No it's not. Why can't you stop running around panicking ffs.

 

[The39thStep]

Fair enough. But apart from when acting as individuals, this is exactly what the far-left does not do. Instead they're chasing' Nazis.' 'Nazis' who just so happen to have been invented recently.

I have a theory that the 'Nazis' only exist to
1) keep the SWPs united front of a special kind theory going ,
2) give the the anarchist anti fascist scene something to do than standing outside Oxfam opposing world capitalism and precariosity
3) keep Bob2009 busy in between being a father, doing the kitchen, the allotment and taking pictures of badly parked cars
4) help Malatestsa write his book

 

[SpineyNorman]

I know. But it's the stuff the left has been doing with diminishing impact for decades. No roots among the working class whatsover.

That's hardly a revelation though is it? And it does fly in the face of your earlier assertion that opposing 'nazis' is all the far left does.

 

[J Ed]

Looks like it might be another EDL attack http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22831882?

 

[cdg]

Emphasis on might. Fuckinell though two treated for smoke inhalation. That and the whole thing could've been so much worse.

 

[Citizen66]

Anyone in Sheffield know Lee Rock?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/2703341759/permalink/10151638587151760/

 

[Pickman's model]

That isn't exactly what I said. I said that the rump left and the contrived EDL need each other. The EDL need the far-left to shout at them and make them feel important. The far-left needs to feel that it has achieved something by mobilising and shouting at them.

that being the case it is a curious departure for the edl to apparently take to arson at times of day when no one's about to shout 'oi! edl! no!' at them

 

[protesticals]

That isn't exactly what I said. I said that the rump left and the contrived EDL need each other. The EDL need the far-left to shout at them and make them feel important. The far-left needs to feel that it has achieved something by mobilising and shouting at them.

Two groups of people with less supporters that Walton and Hersham football club (of Sham' 69 fame) who think their silly little street fight is a major issue. Why don't they take up Live Action roleplaying?

 

[butchersapron]

Two groups of people with less supporters that Walton and Hersham football club (of Sham' 69 fame) who think their silly little street fight is a major issue. Why don't they take up Live Action roleplaying?

As an anti-capitalist, how would this work?

 

[frogwoman]

This idea about people "looking like fash" for having missing teeth or whatever is total bollocks anyway. Most of the racism I've experienced has been from middle class people (or people with more "social capital" at least), people who don't think of themselves as racist and are frequently able to give sophisticated arguments about why they're not - who would be shocked if anyone called them a racist or pointed out they were expressing racist views - I mean you only have to look at Falcon on the other thread going on about his "20 years of senior management experience". I wouldn't automatically assume that a middle aged man who was going bald and who had missing teeth and a beer belly was fash, I might think that they had also had prejudice based on the way they looked or where they were from, or what their lives were like. And too often people who do have these problems are assumed to be dodgy or whatever based on how they look, whereas its simply the case that people can't afford to go to a fucking dentist. And it's going to get a lot worse. It's pretty poor form for anti-fascists to assume people are scum based on how they look, when that sort of thing should be left to our opponents.

 

[elbows]

Was a huge trope in the 70s (US and UK) with the influx of petrodollars. Lots of mainstream comedy shows depicting sheiks walking around buying everything they see.

 

[butchersapron]

Excellent example elbows.

 

[butchersapron]

9p. Blimey.

 

[Pickman's model]

This idea about people "looking like fash" for having missing teeth or whatever is total bollocks anyway. Most of the racism I've experienced has been from middle class people (or people with more "social capital" at least), people who don't think of themselves as racist and are frequently able to give sophisticated arguments about why they're not - who would be shocked if anyone called them a racist or pointed out they were expressing racist views - I mean you only have to look at Falcon on the other thread going on about his "20 years of senior management experience". I wouldn't automatically assume that a middle aged man who was going bald and who had missing teeth and a beer belly was fash, I might think that they had also had prejudice based on the way they looked or where they were from, or what their lives were like. And too often people who do have these problems are assumed to be dodgy or whatever based on how they look, whereas its simply the case that people can't afford to go to a fucking dentist. And it's going to get a lot worse. It's pretty poor form for anti-fascists to assume people are scum based on how they look, when that sort of thing should be left to our opponents.

if people wear a blood and honour patch i think it's fair enough to assume they're scum

 

[frogwoman]

if people wear a blood and honour patch i think it's fair enough to assume they're scum

Well, yes obviously blood and honour clothes/tats, swastikas etc are an exception lol

 

[Citizen66]

This idea about people "looking like fash" for having missing teeth or whatever is total bollocks anyway. Most of the racism I've experienced has been from middle class people (or people with more "social capital" at least), people who don't think of themselves as racist and are frequently able to give sophisticated arguments about why they're not - who would be shocked if anyone called them a racist or pointed out they were expressing racist views - I mean you only have to look at Falcon on the other thread going on about his "20 years of senior management experience". I wouldn't automatically assume that a middle aged man who was going bald and who had missing teeth and a beer belly was fash, I might think that they had also had prejudice based on the way they looked or where they were from, or what their lives were like. And too often people who do have these problems are assumed to be dodgy or whatever based on how they look, whereas its simply the case that people can't afford to go to a fucking dentist. And it's going to get a lot worse. It's pretty poor form for anti-fascists to assume people are scum based on how they look, when that sort of thing should be left to our opponents.

And the fash allegedly being shocked at how red action looked like them. Politics doesn't have a 'look' ffs. Nor does the look matter; their ideas need challenging not whether they've had dental work done or not.