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see my post 13129.
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see my post 13129.
cesare
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You mean what happened in Newcastle? http://www.revolutionarycommunist.org/index.php/labourtrade-unions/3016-nu190513So you haven't read earlier in this thread (or possibly a different one) where someone (Citizen66 ?) recalled how UAF organisers had threatened to have anti-fash anarchists arrested if they showed up?
(Someone with a better memory for detail better help me out here)
Whereas you apparently do - if not say so explicitly and unequivocally.
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you're like a fish, wriggling away on a hook.
belboid
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so, the strongly denied Newcastle events.
I've no idea if this is true or not, I'd certainly utterly condemn it if so.But two wrongs dont make a right
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
belboid
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No, still here <waves>
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fuck, but you're stupid. do you think fish on hooks a) magically disappear or b) hang about wriggling?
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wrong-footing the likes of the uaf again
belboid
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'wriggling away' usually implies 'away' - but I'm glad to see you are concentrating obn the important things. Admittedly, you are much better at pedantry than you are at political thought.
Still waiting for anyone to come back and give a practical way of removing the jihadists. All we've had so far is 'they wouldnt want to come if you did it properly' which is kinda laughable
Still waiting for anyone to come back and give a practical way of removing the jihadists. All we've had so far is 'they wouldnt want to come if you did it properly' which is kinda laughable
belboid
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you think? I rather doubt it, its a rather obvious retort.
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telling them to fuck off might be a good start. after all, unwelcome guests may not know they're unwelcome until they're told to piss off.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Fozzie Bear
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The BBC gave him an absurdly easy ride and allowed him to present himself as reasonable and peaceful.
protesticals
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So if you were on a demo for Gay rights and a group joined and started hoisting an EDL banner you would happily stand by them?
belboid
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and when they refuse.....
belboid
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read the whole discussion, that doesnt actually follow at all
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why not try making them go. or are the serried ranks of the uaf unable to get rid of a few scum?
andysays
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But the point is that they're not unwelcome, or at least that no one from the UAF has had the political courage to tell them they're unwelcome.
The rest is disingenuous bollocks
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there's always an excuse for you to hang about with jihadis isn't there. in this case it's 'we can't be nasty to them so we'll have to let them hang about with us'.
belboid
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so you DO mean physically remove them. Took you enough bloody time to say so!
On an anti-edl demo, I think that would probably be a tactical mistake.
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it's a fucking tactical mistake for you to let them near you on an anti-edl demo. because it's proof that you DO like jihadis, or you wouldn't accept them on your demonstration.
andysays
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Whereas allowing/encouraging them to be involved/associated is what, strategically?
belboid
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As pointed out many aeons ago, they were told to fuck off from the front of the demo with their flag. But I dont think they could effectively be completely stopped. The clip this discussion has all flowed from shows one person waving a flag around none of us have been able to really identify (altho it very probably is a jihadist flag). Most of the people around it at the time wouldn't even have been able to see it, still less know what it was. You cant expect people who cant see a flag to remove it.
And, frankly, having a thousand white folks standing around opposing the EDL is a pretty bloody good way of undercutting the jihadists nonsense that all whiteys want to see muslims burn in hell. As a way of undermining islamism, it seems far more successful than tying to force a couple of people of a demo.
belboid
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I don't like treelover. I wouldn't dream of stopping him from attending a demo. Logic fail.
belboid
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Well, they are completely wrong for failing to condemn them.
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no, what it means to the islamists is two lots of white people don't like each other. what it means to you is, in their opinion, irrelevant.
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treelover doesn't - to the best of my knowledge - have mates who go about bombing people or chopping their heads off while claiming a religious motivation.
belboid
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who cares about them? It's the people they might influence that I care about, the ones they might influence. You dont think that if they were thrown off they would be using out of context video links to 'prove' that all whiteys hate all muslims?
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