EDL watch

[ddraig]

if you google it I think you will find its the case

you obviously have done so can prove your point for once
link please

 

[Quartz]

but what the edl say is not true.

Then you sue them if it's personally defamatory or present the true facts if they're lying about them. You do not shout them down and let their lies and bigotry fester.

 

[butchersapron]

Then you sue them if it's personally defamatory or present the true facts if they're lying about them. You do not shout them down and let their lies and bigotry fester.

How are you judging which opinions and political positions are 'true' quartz?

 

[Streathamite]

Then you sue them if it's personally defamatory or present the true facts if they're lying about them. You do not shout them down and let their lies and bigotry fester.

Historically, shouting the fascists down, as well as beating them down, would have been a rather smart option, and has always been proven to be so

 

[Frances Lengel]

I wouldn't fancy having to relace those boots outside the police station after a night in the cells. Velcro tab trainers FTW.

 

[Quartz]

Historically, shouting the fascists down, as well as beating them down, would have been a rather smart option, and has always been proven to be so

As would have shouting and beating down the communists in Russia.

That doesn't make it right.

 

[butchersapron]

As would have shouting and beating down the communists in Russia.

That doesn't make it right.

How are you judging which opinions and political positions are 'true' quartz?

 

[chilango]

What's all this nonsense about "free speech"?

Doesn't exist. Never has. Why are we getting hung up on it?

 

[butchersapron]

What's all this nonsense about "free speech"?

Doesn't exist. Never has. Why are we getting hung up on it?

No one is, only the fool quartz - the one who refuses to answer questions that put his naive nonsense in doubt.

 

[Streathamite]

That doesn't make it right.

It makes it extremely necessary, which is rather more important

 

[Tom A]

Are the BNP holding stalls unopposed then? Foodbank stuff is worrying IMO - learning from the Golden Dawn? And I guess it means any opposition has to be a bit more sophisticated than usual.

Not surprising the BNP would try setting up food banks, inspiration from Golden Dawn is very likely. Also you have that far-right organisation in France who donates food to the homeless, but delibrately puts pork into it to keep the Muslims away. This needs to be challenged, and the left could do well to re-learn a think or two about the concept of mutual aid.

 

[ddraig]

one of the squats in Cardiff does a peoples kitchen which homeless and others go to afaik
others do Bwyd nid Bombiau / Food not Bombs on the streets too

 

[Quartz]

It makes it extremely necessary, which is rather more important

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

- M. Niemoller

 

[butchersapron]

Because you talk shite.

 

[killer b]

where's the 'wanker' smiley?

 

[frogwoman]

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

- M. Niemoller

First they came for the far-right

 

[DotCommunist]

and then they came for the fash but that was ok cos freedom of speech

 

[DotCommunist]

Voltaire quote in t-minus four hours

 

[DotCommunist]

I wouldn't fancy having to relace those boots outside the police station after a night in the cells. Velcro tab trainers FTW.

generally when re-lacing my shoes having had a childs portion of microwave lasagne and been issued with a fine the last thing on my mind has been the trickiness of threading my laces. Normally I just ring mum and cry. And she calls me a cunt for getting in that situation.

army mums. Bringing you harsh words since forever

 

[Quartz]

Voltaire quote in t-minus four hours

Not biting.

Look at it this way: why should someone listen to you if you're not prepared to listen to them?

 

[butchersapron]

Not biting.

Look at it this way: why should someone listen to you if you're not prepared to listen to them?

Indeed, for the 5th time then - how are you judging which opinions and political positions are 'true' quartz?

 

[ddraig]

Not biting.

Look at it this way: why should someone listen to you if you're not prepared to listen to them?

because by their nature their views are not inclusive and seek to oppress others

 

[DotCommunist]

because by their nature their views are not inclusive and seek to oppress others

but we must give voice to those who will silence us or else we are just as bad as them. Vote clegg

 

[Quartz]

because by their nature their views are not inclusive and seek to oppress others

You have, of course, noted the paradox.

 

[ddraig]

You have, of course, noted the paradox.

no, please enlighten me

 

[DotCommunist]

Quartz, you can run rings around me when it comes to mathematics but you just don't get politics. I'm not even trying to cunt you off here,I'd rather you took an objective look and so on. You can't be an idiot, I just think you look at the sphere as a stated game where players do as they state. Its not you know. Motivations, realpolitik, trad values. The field of politics is not a bloody sum.

 

[Citizen66]

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

- M. Niemoller

First they came for the edl, and I did not speak out, because they're cunts.

 

[Quartz]

The field of politics is not a bloody sum.

I'm well aware of that. How many threads have we had where we've both passed comment on the perfidy of politicians? How many times have I stated that they're mostly after power? And then there's "Politics is the art of the possible." But I believe in the freedom of speech. Not free speech for some. Not free speech just for those who think like me. I have no truck with racism etc but I'd rather these bigots were out in the open where we can know that they're bigots. I'd rather these bigots were out in the open so they can be shown up by their own words like Nick Griffin on Question Time, and lampooned on Spitting Image, HIGNIFY, etc. Extremist Muslim / Protestant / Catholic / Hindu / whatever clerics? Bring them on: let's hear what they preach. The more people who know how vile they are the better. Biblical literalists? Sure, let's take a look at the Books of Leviticus and Numbers and - for example - see what they say about slavery and the role of women. And so on. But if we shut them away and ignore them and their lies, they'll just fester and grow, purely because we don't answer and expose them. It's the hard road, but it's the right road.

no, please enlighten me

You're excluding them for not being inclusive, but that then means that you're not being inclusive and should therefore be excluded yourself.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm well aware of that. How many threads have we had where we've both passed comment on the perfidy of politicians? How many times have I stated that they're mostly after power? And then there's "Politics is the art of the possible." But I believe in the freedom of speech. Not free speech for some. Not free speech just for those who think like me. I have no truck with racism etc but I'd rather these bigots were out in the open where we can know that they're bigots. I'd rather these bigots were out in the open so they can be shown up by their own words like Nick Griffin on Question Time, and lampooned on Spitting Image, HIGNIFY, etc. Extremist Muslim / Protestant / Catholic / Hindu / whatever clerics? Bring them on: let's hear what they preach. The more people who know how vile they are the better. Biblical literalists? Sure, let's take a look at the Books of Leviticus and Numbers and - for example - see what they say about slavery and the role of women. And so on. But if we shut them away and ignore them and their lies, they'll just fester and grow, purely because we don't answer and expose them. It's the hard road, but it's the right road.




You're excluding them for not being inclusive, but that then means that you're not being inclusive and should therefore be excluded yourself.

How are you deciding what is 'true'? Quartz? On what grounds?

 

[Streathamite]

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

- M. Niemoller

oh ffs! Yes, and 'They', then AND now, are the fash!
Different rules apply when dealing with them.
No nice, civilised respectful discourse with them - that's simply not how they operate
.
That is the overwhelming lesson of history