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cesare
shady's dreams ♥
That's the name of it
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Oh, here we are. It's not an odd US one, it's a faith charity. Again with the religion.
http://www.charityjob.co.uk/RecruitersAZ/18246/First Love Foundation.aspx
http://www.charityjob.co.uk/RecruitersAZ/18246/First Love Foundation.aspx
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
There was a lot of talk in 2009 about the Big Society being inspired by the US model, IIRC Steve Hilton cited Kansas specifically, of faith based welfare. This is intentional. I have a little bit of experience of this because I worked with a few US faith groups that provide welfare in hurricane clean up a few years ago, and while most of the volunteers I worked with were good people I'm horrified that *they* are the people responsible for providing welfare to anyone.
http://www.trusselltrust.org/resour...ing-the-Growth-of-Foodbanks-Across-the-UK.pdf this report is interesting reading, even though it's very biased in favour of the Trussell Trust (a religious organisation, in Sheffield at least based mostly in Evangelical Churches) it's worth reading the experiences of food bank users. They unsurprisingly feel disempowered, humiliated and degraded.
wtf? Jesus Christ.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
cesare
I think for a lot of especially older people having the support of the community is a bit of a lifeline. There are a lot of old people who go to the local shul which ive been going to on and off (mostly off tbh
I think this type of stuff is the sort of stuff that "the left" for want of a better word used to be a lot better at, I know they are a lot better in places like Italy for it, chilango, Fedayn etc probably know more about that than I do!
Cheers for the heads up.
I'd have missed this interesting diversion as I don't keep much of an eye on EDL threads.
But yeah, bang on.
Churches (of whatever faith) do a lot of the stuff that a "rooted" Left would/should do.
I keep saying that the first thing the Left needs is the rebuilding of community and the ideas of solidarity, mutual aid etc. and this starts with mundane "apolitical" stuff like chatting to your neighbours over a cup of tea, street parties/communal pot luck meals/BBQs, child care/play activities etc.
Dog shit politics if you like.
Stuff that the LibDems, fash and Greens have all dabbled in with a measure of success.
Stuff that the IWCA tried.
Stuff that self-righteous lefties will dismiss.
Stuff that elsewhere, where the Left is (or at least has been) part of the w/c community they do. Autogestione innit?
Stuff that in most places in the UK is left to the church. The problem with hat not being their theism so much as that the community they build is not built around class.
There is a lot more that could and should be said I guess, but 8 a.m. On an EDL thread is probably not the time nor place.
Kev Scott LTJ
Active Member
I see Weatherspoons are catering to the travelling EDL support now 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-22760874
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-22760874
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Yeah i mean I'll be honest, when I move to a new area I generally work out where the jewish community is and like go along to a couple of services, study sessons or other events that they're doing, i mean i might never go again after that but i like to know its there if you know what i mean. Not that I am religious or anything (although I say that, but ...) but moving to a new place can be really isolating if you dont know anyone, or even staying in the same place if all your friends have moved away or you cant get there easily. Last year when I moved to Hemel only knowing my housemate and her friends I ended up going a fair few times.
if there was some kind of thing like that, only not about god/specific to a religion and not making you get on a saturday and sell fucking papers in the rain to disinterested shoppers but that did loads of social activities, provided meals, childcare, etc, and the odd educational thing about class struggle, a film or whatever then it could be really good. I think those Marxist study groups that the SP started in some areas were a really good idea, as long as they weren't used just to recruit people to something.
I know its not a panacea but its got to be better than what we've got at the moment.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
We can help you choose which lookDotty says next I'll be getting a dog on a string ffs
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
No, we're defending freedom of speech. Just because you don't like what they say doesn't mean they should be suppressed. You're letting them speak so they can be exposed as homophobic / racist /whatever. And maybe, just maybe, by open debate, they'll be persuaded of the wrongness of their views.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
What about if people have to listen to that shit?
what would you do if a bunch of people were saying "quartz is a cunt and a terrorist and so are all his family and he should get out of the country" in a public place?
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
step, there is something quite lovely about a girl dressed like that. i heart this girl though!
There's a difference between defending freedom of speech and supporting what's being said, you know?
step, there is something quite lovely about a girl dressed like that. i heart this girl though!
I bet she hates that picture now, served her time and probably has nothing to do with radical politics now.
DrRingDing
'anti-human wanker'
Don't judge others by your own standards.
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
same as you, you mean.
Quite true, and it's a nuance many don't get. But look at it this way: before you can decide to support something or not, first you have to hear of it.
Who's forcing you to listen?
That being factually false, legal action would swiftly follow. You are responsible for your speech. q.v. a certain recent case of someone being accused of being a paedophile. But if something is true, you should have the right to say it, no matter how distasteful others find it.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
annoyingly enough Docs are now largely produced in china and stitched in england. Which means that the factory seconds shop has a lot less in the way of bargains. Time was I picked up sixteen hole cherry red dm's for the princely sum of 12 pounds. Blistered my feet breaking them in. Halcyon days
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
internets throws up no seconds shop for solovair. Google has spoken.
if you google it I think you will find its the case
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How are you deciding what is 'true'? Quartz? On what grounds?
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