EDL watch

[belboid]

FFS, J Ed has just informed you it was, if it was similar to a Christian flag, they exist, the equivalent, then it would have been different

learn how to use the reply function. its not rocket science

 

[Ranbay]

maybe it was hard to see form the other side of the demo?

 

[treelover]

Mr Bluster, you and your fellow trots have been doing the same old same old for decades and it has got you nowhere, now with LU you are attempting to re-invent your 'revolutionary' party when the spirit is of something new and exciting.

 

[treelover]

maybe it was hard to see form the other side of the demo?

pathetic, to be expected though

 

[Ranbay]

 

[belboid]

Mr Bluster, you and your fellow trots have been doing the same old same old for decades and it has got you nowhere, now with LU you are attempting to re-invent your 'revolutionary' party when the spirit is of something new and exciting.

What is that a reply to? Learn how to use the boards if you are going to participate.

Oh, you could also try actually answering questions putting to you instead of running away and refusing to do so.

And you could stop lying so often.

Cunt.

 

[andysays]

pathetic, to be expected though

So you can use the reply function when it suits you.

Are you intending to answer my question:

What, specifically, are you suggesting/requesting I reply to?

or can I go and do something more interesting than attempting to work out who your various scattergun comments are aimed at?

 

[J Ed]

belboid is treelover not right when he says that it was there for the duration of the demo? I'm talking to one of my friends who was there and she says it was

People shouldn't have to choose between opposing the EDL but standing with people who hold Salafist flags and not doing anything.

 

[J Ed]

The fash are using the flag as further evidence that the UAF don't want them to lay flowers 'cos they are pro-terrorist commies all over twitter too.

 

[Corax]

so fucking what, I and many others would like to see a progressive left that takes on the far right but isn't blind to the rise of I/F, there was a couple of guys on the 'peace demo' yesterday with black Islamic flags, no one batted an eyelid..

You were asked at least a dozen times, a long long time back in this thread, by myself and others, to give us some sort of clue as to exactly what this "The Left" you keep referring to actually fucking means.

You ignored it every single time IIRC.

Hence Bob's justified ridicule of your continued use of the term.

Now you've had more time to ponder the question, do you feel any more able to answer it?

 

[treelover]

The fash are using the flag as further evidence that the UAF don't want them to lay flowers 'cos they are pro-terrorist commies all over twitter too.

Exactly, it will come back to haunt anti's, why not take the action required at the time, when the RCP had their 'victory to iraq' banner at the Gulf War demo' it soon came down..

 

[SpineyNorman]

Got to admit I wouldn't know the difference between a salafist or Islamist flag and a perfectly normal and acceptable Islamic one (that might say peace or summat on it).

If people know what it is they should say something - to the organisers if they're not confident to do it themselves. And that goes for anyone who saw it, there's no excuse for anyone who was there leaving it for others to sort out - irrespective of whether they were there as part of an organised group - especially since I suspect the vast majority of people at the demo would have the exact same problem distinguishing between different flags with arabic lettering as I do. If you know the difference it falls on you to say something.

If you know the difference between them, and you see a salafist one, fucking say something. If you don't you're as much a part of the problem as anyone else at the demo.

Islamists are of the far right (they're not generally fascists though, that word has a very specific meaning and its definition shouldn't be stretched to include them or the EDL) and as such should be opposed just as robustly as the EDL/BNP/NF

But if I'd have been there I don't think I'd have done anything about it because I don't know the flags - for all I knew it might have been the equivalent of the kind of Christian peace signs my old dear used to take to CND marches.

 

[treelover]

You were asked at least a dozen times, a long long time back in this thread, by myself and others, to give us some sort of clue as to exactly what this "The Left" you keep referring to actually fucking means.

You ignored it every single time IIRC.

Hence Bob's justified ridicule of your continued use of the term.

Now you've had more time to ponder the question, do you feel any more able to answer it?

actually I have, many times, the broad coalition of the far left, liberal left, radicals, green party, individuals, etc that you see at all the major 'exciting events' anti-war, anti-edl.

 

[treelover]

Got to admit I wouldn't know the difference between a salafist or Islamist flag and a perfectly normal and acceptable Islamic one (that might say peace or summat on it).

If people know what it is they should say something - to the organisers if they're not confident to do it themselves. And that goes for anyone who saw it, there's no excuse for anyone who was there leaving it for others to sort out - especially since I suspect the vast majority of people at the demo would have the exact same problem distinguishing between different flags with arabic lettering as I do. If you know the difference it falls on you to say something.

If you know the difference between them, and you see a salafist one, fucking say something. If you don't you're as much a part of the problem as anyone else at the demo.

Islamists are of the far right (they're not generally fascists though, that word has a very specific meaning and its definition shouldn't be stretched to include them or the EDL) and as such should be opposed just as robustly as the EDL/BNP/NF

But if I'd have been there I don't think I'd have done anything about it because I don't know the flags - for all I knew it might have been the equivalent of the kind of Christian peace signs my old dear used to take to CND marches.

that's what I said, but it was on the organisers and indeed people there to look into it, people have the net on their phone

btw, you put it more eloquently and consively as I could do, this board is not conjusive to people who have limited facilities for pursuing an argument, but I know when I'm right, its not the first time something like this has happened, chants of "Palestine, from, the rivers to the sea" (meaning the obliteration of Israel were often heard on Anti-war demo's and not readily challenged.

 

[Corax]

actually I have, many times, the broad coalition of the far left, liberal left, radicals, green party, individuals, etc that you see at all the major 'exciting events' anti-war, anti-edl.

If you're truly referring to such a diverse set of peoples and ideologies, then that makes your many statements on what "The Left" should or shouldn't be doing even more fucking ridiculous.

Cards on the table, I think you're a fash sympathiser at best tbh. You pour an awful lot of energy into criticising those that attempt oppose them.

 

[Ranbay]

that's what I said, but it was on the organisers and indeed people there to look into it, people have the net on their phone
.

As do you, seen as you where posting here most of yesterday from the demo. while doing nothing about the angry guy with the flag.

 

[SpineyNorman]

that's what I said, but it was on the organisers and indeed people there to look into it, people have the net on their phone

There must have been people there who knew and they should have said something. To be honest the possibility that an arabic flag might be Islamist isn't something that would have crossed my mind and I'm not sure how I'd go about searching for a flag on the internet anyway - if you know the name but not what it looks like that's easy to google, but if you know what it looks like but not what it's called I'm not sure it's so simple.

Were any of the people on here who were there aware of what sort of flag it was?

 

[treelover]

If you're truly referring to such a diverse set of peoples and ideologies, then that makes your many statements on what "The Left" should or shouldn't be doing even more fucking ridiculous.

Cards on the table, I think you're a fash sympathiser at best tbh. You pour an awful lot of energy into criticising those that attempt oppose them.

right, that's it, you knobhead, post reported...

 

[andysays]

Got to admit I wouldn't know the difference between a salafist or Islamist flag and a perfectly normal and acceptable Islamic one (that might say peace or summat on it).

If people know what it is they should say something - to the organisers if they're not confident to do it themselves. And that goes for anyone who saw it, there's no excuse for anyone who was there leaving it for others to sort out - especially since I suspect the vast majority of people at the demo would have the exact same problem distinguishing between different flags with arabic lettering as I do. If you know the difference it falls on you to say something.

If you know the difference between them, and you see a salafist one, fucking say something. If you don't you're as much a part of the problem as anyone else at the demo.

Islamists are of the far right (they're not generally fascists though, that word has a very specific meaning and its definition shouldn't be stretched to include them or the EDL) and as such should be opposed just as robustly as the EDL/BNP/NF

But if I'd have been there I don't think I'd have done anything about it because I don't know the flags - for all I knew it might have been the equivalent of the kind of Christian peace signs my old dear used to take to CND marches.

Neither would I and neither, it appears would treelover. indeed he appears to have objected to it merely on the grounds that it was an Islamic flag, before he was aware (before J Ed explained) that it was in fact an Islamist one.

This leads me to the unfortunate conclusion that he considers any and all Islamic flags unacceptable in the context of a march for peace, rather as if someone was equating your mum's Xian peace signs as equivalent to the KKK or the extremist Dutch sect so popular in South Africa in the Apartheid days.

He's still got the option of defending himself from that conclusion, as long as he can work out the baffling question of how the reply function works...

 

[SpineyNorman]

Cards on the table, I think you're a fash sympathiser at best tbh. You pour an awful lot of energy into criticising those that attempt oppose them.

Then you're a fucking idiot and I suggest you retract that vile slur. I often disagree with him on this stuff but he most certainly isn't anything of the sort.

 

[treelover]

Actually, I thought Corax was one of the more sophisticated and nuanced ones on here, I was clearly wrong and he or she has massively overstepped the mark, in fact I am trying to think of a similar accusation against a long time poster and I can't, maybe Jazz

 

[Corax]

right, that's it, you knobhead, post reported...

Lol, feel free.

Then you're a fucking idiot and I suggest you retract that vile slur. I often disagree with him on this stuff but he most certainly isn't anything of the sort.

All I know of him is his constant attempts to find fault with his "The Left". Whilst some of his criticisms are true, his dogged persistence, whilst rarely uttering a word against the EDL or their kin, paints a certain picture.

I'm not part of any clique on here and have no agenda with treelover, but that's how it reads. Like dog-whistle stuff in the DM comments.

 

[butchersapron]

If you're truly referring to such a diverse set of peoples and ideologies, then that makes your many statements on what "The Left" should or shouldn't be doing even more fucking ridiculous.

Cards on the table, I think you're a fash sympathiser at best tbh. You pour an awful lot of energy into criticising those that attempt oppose them.

Ridiculous offensive non political rubbish. You should apologise for that.

 

[Corax]

Actually, I thought Corax was one of the more sophisticated and nuanced ones on here, I was clearly wrong and he or she has massively overstepped the mark, in fact I am trying to think of a similar accusation against a long time poster and I can't, maybe Jazz

I'd never claim to be particularly sophisticated (!), but equally I have no beef with you. Your posts, over a long period of time, have given me that impression of your views. Why?

 

[SpineyNorman]

Lol, feel free.



All I know of him is his constant attempts to find fault with his "The Left". Whilst some of his criticisms are true, his dogged persistence, whilst rarely uttering a word against the EDL or their kin, paints a certain picture.

I'm not part of any clique on here and have no agenda with treelover, but that's how it reads. Like dog-whistle stuff in the DM comments.

You're talking out of your arse. The stuff about the left does get a bit tired sometimes but I can guarantee you're well of target.

 

[treelover]

You were asked at least a dozen times, a long long time back in this thread, by myself and others, to give us some sort of clue as to exactly what this "The Left" you keep referring to actually fucking means.

You ignored it every single time IIRC.

Hence Bob's justified ridicule of your continued use of the term.

Now you've had more time to ponder the question, do you feel any more able to answer it?

I think its important we have an effective and fighting left, I don't know about you, but as someone on the harsh end of the condems petty brutalities it would be good to have some wins for a change and to be a bit less frightened

now do one...

 

[love detective]

its not the first time something like this has happened, chants of "Palestine, from, the rivers to the sea" (meaning the obliteration of Israel were often heard on Anti-war demo's and not readily challenged.

remember the 'we are all hezbollah' one from a few years back - quite apt to recall it now given current events

 

[Corax]

You're talking out of your arse. The stuff about the left does get a bit tired sometimes but I can guarantee you're well of target.

Glad to hear it. All I've got to go on are his/her constant and often baseless attacks on any group opposing the EDL and kin.

 

[frogwoman]

I cant comment on this particular flag but having been on palestine demos in the past and having seen people carrying flags with swords on them etc and dressing in black, as well as listening to some swappie (or something) say "we support hamas" in a speech, as well as others spouting racist shite and not being kicked off the demo i can sadly believe it.

 

[J Ed]

remember the 'we are all hezbollah' one from a few years back - quite apt to recall it now given current events

I don't think that the from the river to the sea chant is nearly as bad since (most? some of?) the people saying it envisage a situation where a one state solution would also include the Jewish population of historic Palestine in a secular/plural state.