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Apparently Tommy Robinson is pretty pissed off about the response they got this Saturday, he's called a national demo in Sheffield for next Saturday and said he's going to attend.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...76072112558182&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

What sort of numbers do you all think they could get out if it was a national demo? The idea that there could be 2000 EDL in Sheffield and 500 or so antis like in Newcastle makes me sick.
 
SpineyNorman said:
Would all depend on who was there and who was in charge on the UAF side I think - it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they'd have turned a blind eye (I don't think they'd try and justify it or anything, would just deny all knowledge) but I don't think they could have tolerated someone saying that kind of thing on their platform, even if they wanted to - it's just too naked.

Was that the one law for all thing? That was bizarre, calling Miryam Namazee (or however you spell it) a fascist was one of the weirder and more offensive things UAF have done! Though I suspect there was something like an honest fuck up somewhere along the way (wasn't there an EDL demo in the same place?)

They constantly walk a fine line between looking vaguely progressive and making concessions to 'the Muslim community' (which generally means not making gay rights a shibboleth etc). And they sometimes get it badly wrong.

Someone once said to me that Muslims don't need the UAF, the UAF needs Muslims - it's a crude way of putting it but I think there's something to it.
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The main thing I was thinking of was the Maryam incident, she hadn't exactly covered herself in glory entirely beforehand, she shared a platform with Douglas Murray, though I have no idea whether the UAF were aware of that. In any case, shortly after sharing a platform with him she criticised his Eurabia schtick, I think she and her campaigning group just didn't know exactly how vile he is.
 
J Ed said:
The main thing I was thinking of was the Maryam incident, she hadn't exactly covered herself in glory entirely beforehand, she shared a platform with Douglas Murray, though I have no idea whether the UAF were aware of that. In any case, shortly after sharing a platform with him she criticised his Eurabia schtick, I think she and her campaigning group just didn't know exactly how vile he is.
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She's certainly no fascist anyway - IIRC a communist who was fled to Britian to escape the clutches of the Iranian theocracy.
 
One thing is interesting is that the EDL by calling these marches have actually taken the focus away from the crime itself by these radical islamists, though there hasn't been much discussion on the left blogs afaics on its ramifications.
 
so fucking what, I and many others would like to see a progressive left that takes on the far right but isn't blind to the rise of I/F, there was a couple of guys on the 'peace demo' yesterday with black Islamic flags, no one batted an eyelid..
 
treelover said:
so fucking what, I and many others would like to see a progressive left that takes on the far right but isn't blind to the rise of I/F, there was a couple of guys on the 'peace demo' yesterday with black Islamic flags, no one batted an eyelid..
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I've already demonstrated my ignorance of the niceties of flags on another thread today, but if these particular black flags have an Islamic, as opposed to Islamist, significance then what, if you don't mind my asking, is your fucking problem?
 
treelover said:
so fucking what, I and many others would like to see a progressive left that takes on the far right but isn't blind to the rise of I/F, there was a couple of guys on the 'peace demo' yesterday with black Islamic flags, no one batted an eyelid..
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Really? Jesus.
 
andysays said:
I've already demonstrated my ignorance of the niceties of flags on another thread today, but if these particular black flags have an Islamic, as opposed to Islamist, significance then what, if you don't mind my asking, is your fucking problem?
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https://twitter.com/dunnjp/status/341201043759173632

That's a Salafist Jihadist flag. The UAF are fucking morons for letting it be flown there, why not just hold up a big banner saying SOLIDARITY WITH AL-QAEDA AGAINST OTHER FORMS OF FASCISM?
 
The thing is,andysays, is that I don't know what the banner said or represented, what I am saying is from my vantage point, no one asked the guys either

again, its this readiness to absolve I find baffling, when with the far right, its fists in, not saying they should have been attacked, but the lefts radar goes off straight away if they thing the far right are anywhere near, look how many WC/Tracksuited leftists are 'outed' as EDL, etc on demo'. If it was a jihadi flag, it should have been challenged, and saying it was one falg won't wash, one BNP guy in London was battered by 10 people, etc.

btw, I won't be posting anymore of this, I thought the left was moving away from this defensiveness towards a more balanced approach, same with people in my local L/U, if that's not the case, its not for me.
 
It's a picture on twitter, you saw it too so I'm gonna assume it wasn't photoshopped. ffs
 
treelover said:
The thing is,andysays, is that I don't know what the banner said or represented, what I am saying is from my vantage point, no one asked the guys either

again, its this readiness to absolve I find baffling, when with the far right, its fists in, not saying they should have been attacked, but the lefts radar goes off straight away if they thing the far right are anywhere near, look how many WC/Tracksuited leftists are 'outed' as EDL, etc on demo's,

btw, I won't be posting anymore of this, I thought the left was moving away from this defensiveness towards a more balanced approach, same with people in my local LU, if that's not the case, it not for me,
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So, after following J Ed's helpful link to wiki, it appears that the flag in question is an Islamist one rather than simply an Islamic one, the distinction which I mentioned in my previous post, and which you appear not to recognise as a distinction.

From this I deduce that your problem is either carelessness, ignorance or a deliberate attempt to label all Muslims as Islamists.
 
treelover said:
Sorry, J Ed, do you know it is a jihadi flag?, the guy carrying it was very aggressive
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Yeah, it's a mujahideen jihadist flag. The people with it were probably hizb ut tahrir. A lot of the people there would have been aware of what it is too, depressing.
 
treelover said:
so fucking what, I and many others would like to see a progressive left that takes on the far right but isn't blind to the rise of I/F, there was a couple of guys on the 'peace demo' yesterday with black Islamic flags, no one batted an eyelid..
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what did the flag say? clearly you know or you wouldn't be complaining about it, would you?

and as no one batted an eyelid, presumably you didn't bat an eyelid either, or are you mysteriously excluding yourself from any responsibility for anything and everything?

You nasty little hypocritical cunt.
 
J Ed said:
Yeah, it's a mujahideen jihadist flag. The people with it were probably hizb ut tahrir. A lot of the people there would have been aware of what it is too, depressing.
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they were asked not to fly it, treelover is lying. again.
 
The flag was flying for the duration of the protest, as I say, no more from me, you carry on doing what you have been doing for years.
 
treelover said:
I'm saying that no one questioned it, I am not in any position to do so, you and your cohorts are,
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that is exactly what you said, you liar.And you are in exactly the same position as me to do something about it. you wont. because you're a cunt who does nothing but slag off the left
 
FFS, J Ed has just informed you it was, if it was similar to a Christian flag, they exist, the equivalent, then it would have been different
 
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