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treelover said:
Really baffled here, the ITN footage is of the fanatic at a UAF organised event, the left there appeared to tolerate his rant, why is this controversial on here?, if true, why was it not commented on at the time and its legitimate to ask what was the response of the events organisers?
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Jesus christ. First off, can you show what UAF organised event it was? Secondly, UAF, as clear from the vid had no control whatsoever over someone standing up on a car or something and ranting. They tried to piggy back on something. To suggest, as you do that they were supportive of this freak is wrong. Are you seriously going to accuse me of being soft on UAF? Or are you going to have a look at what sort of serious criticisms that can come out of this? Because yours are just...pathetic. Transparently motivated. If you want to get UAF and the SWP on being soft on fundies then this is not the way to do it - this shite only undermines any proper criticisms,
 
Ok, the event happened, M/A, a known fundamentalist came out with appalling comments, that was tolerated, is that acceptable?, I don't think it is
 
UAF are soft on Islamists and have more than once tolerated all kinds of crap when they didn't need to. I just really don't think this is one of those times.
 
Think about it - UAF go to pull him off the car. They might get to the car. If they're lucky they might even succeed in pulling him off (off the car - you've all got dirty minds!). But then they end up leaving in an ambulance and he gets back on the car and gets on with his hate speech again. Look at the numbers.
 
The digital report article ends with a line that says...the uaf will protestagainst those paying respects to the murdered soldier...seems a weirdthing for a serious news report to write. It also quotes the bloke who murdered the soldier as say we are not here for violence if you are the leave...dont seem like the bestvideoto show his extremism really.
 
It's pretty obvious that there was nothing that the UAF could have done in that situation, it doesn't even look like there are any or at least more than a few UAF around.

If there were and the numbers were better, do you think that anything would have happened though? Since UAF have decided to literally side with Al-Muhajiroun against secular Muslims in the past I doubt it...
 
J Ed said:
It's pretty obvious that there was nothing that the UAF could have done in that situation, it doesn't even look like there are any or at least more than a few UAF around.

If there were and the numbers were better, do you think that anything would have happened though? Since UAF have decided to literally side with Al-Muhajiroun against secular Muslims in the past I doubt it...
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Would all depend on who was there and who was in charge on the UAF side I think - it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they'd have turned a blind eye (I don't think they'd try and justify it or anything, would just deny all knowledge) but I don't think they could have tolerated someone saying that kind of thing on their platform, even if they wanted to - it's just too naked.

Was that the one law for all thing? That was bizarre, calling Miryam Namazee (or however you spell it) a fascist was one of the weirder and more offensive things UAF have done! Though I suspect there was something like an honest fuck up somewhere along the way (wasn't there an EDL demo in the same place?)

They constantly walk a fine line between looking vaguely progressive and making concessions to 'the Muslim community' (which generally means not making gay rights a shibboleth etc). And they sometimes get it badly wrong.

Someone once said to me that Muslims don't need the UAF, the UAF needs Muslims - it's a crude way of putting it but I think there's something to it.
 
Dogsauce said:
About 30-50 in Leeds apparently, crossed the road from wetherspoons at the station to a police pen on City Square/Park Plaza. Some complaining that they weren't being served in Wetherspoons - Tommy's 'no booze' request going unheeded then. I'm not in town to witness this as gigging in Aberdeen last night, just what friends are reporting. Spotted some kind of orange march in Glasgow today though, presumably nothing at all to do with this?

Turnout sounds low generally everywhere, is that about right? The sad thing was seeing a lot of black/Asian people on twitter saying they were avoiding town because the EDL were out. Pisses me off that people feel they can't just go and do what they want due to the fear the wankers are creating.
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Around 150 tops at City Square by most estimates I've seen. Lefties against around 200. If we'd assembled at the cenotaph we might just have been able to hold it depending on police actually letting us do that but it would probably have been ugly as fuck. No chance of the unequivocal win anti-fash had in Sheff if things had got up close and personal, though maybe if we'd got to it first and police didn't move us off EDL would never have been allowed near it. Maybes, couldas, wouldas, shouldas. We didn't do that anyways, we were expecting to be outnumbered 2 to 1 going by EDL Leeds Division and counter-demo FB event pages, decision was taken to assemble a couple of hours before they were due to around UAF stall on Briggate, see how the numbers panned out. Far enough away for safe assembly at business as usual location, within striking distance of the cenotaph if we had enough to hold both areas. We didn't.

Our presence in town certainly played a part in the police only allowing a very few of them and a very few of us up to the cenotaph, police very nearly kept both sides away altogether which would have been a win for us pissing right on their chips. As was about 30 of them, maybe few more from our side allowed up in the end so we had to settle for a tactical draw there. Rest of the EDL kettled down at City Square, most of us stayed around the UAF stall to defend it ( I'm led to believe had been threatened, handful of EDL indeed being turned back by police marching down to it after their demo at one point ) and engage with the public, aiming for something of a strategic win.

Good news is on this and their Moortown demo last month they haven't done better than about 100-150 out, even with bringing people in from outside the city. EDL Leeds / Yorkshire Division must be shocking weak.
 
Dreich said:
Nick Griffin tweeted earlier stating that Edinburgh was the turnout of the day. Usually there's flags for NWI/NEI but didn't see any today, suggesting they were mainly Scottish. Fair few younger ones, too.
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NWI were in manchester and NEI wd have been at leeds.
 
Malatesta, the threat to the UAF stall had apparently come from Infidels of some description according to vague report of it I heard. Saw nothing concrete to back it up but it fits, yeah.
 
I'd have said more like 150-200 SDL in Edinburgh. We sat in the train station watching them muster, they really didn't like that. Pretty ridiculous 50-odd guys getting stressy about two people sitting on a bench in a public place looking at them. Tons of police with them so obviously nothing they could do but take photos and shoot dirty looks but it was kind of absurd. They were basically allowed to march from the station to the parliament under police escort, they took them via side streets but they did cross the Royal Mile; as we caught up with them just at that point there was a Somalian lassie with a headscarf walking up the street towards us just as they were crossing the road chanting 'Muslim scum, off our streets'. That was the thing that I found most upsetting about the whole day. Once they got to the parliament there was the usual argy bargying across barriers for a bit then they did their minute's silence and laid flowers; we'd gone by then but apparently the antis respected the silence. As Fed said though they were a good sized crowd of fit looking guys and frankly would have torn through the counter protest if anything had kicked off. But it didn't.
 
Nefarious Moose said:
Malatesta, the threat to the UAF stall had apparently come from Infidels of some description according to vague report of it I heard. Saw nothing concrete to back it up but it fits, yeah.
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ok thanks! it is so easy to make threats and even easier to do fuck all about it. as the infidels specialise in this. ie, doing fuck all.
 
weepiper said:
More pics here
http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-e...st-held-outside-scottish-parliament-1-2951895
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here we go. tacit admission that SDL/BNP drinking from the same trough.
from VVN uk forum:

'If you live in Scotland please attend the Scottish Defence League protest against Muslim Hate Preachers outside the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh on Saturday, June 1 at 13.00. The SDL maintain friendly relations with the British National Party and we have worked in unity on a number of occasions for the good of our Cause.'
 
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