EDL watch

[butchersapron]

Q1:

a)They're very unlikely to get close enough for them to overeact - and even if they do and they do over-react, that still leaves the fact that the edl have shown no appetite for serious trouble and what little they have been involved in hasn't shown itself to be effective at attracting further supporters.

B) And they'll either be there or they won't be- far more likely the latter, but it won't attract new people either way. It will just publicly demonstrate a descent into pure stuntism by a handful of people as the numbers that make any other action possible are no longer there. Death roll.

Q2: The Star got burnt by their little editor/owner driven not journo driven flirtation - won't be happening again. Any non tory/lib-dem/labour stuff from that direction will more than likely prove to be UKIP related.

 

[FNG]

cheers,as always its a pleasure talking with you.

Have you any further reading wrt Desmond/star getting burned by their EDL coverage?

 

[malatesta32]

the only thing i know re: dirty des, i they ran a supportive editorial then quickly backpeddled on it. a bit later they were publishing searchlight stories as penance. it was weird watching it fizzle out so drastically. no one has since come out with supporting them and ALL their press has been remarkably negative.

 

[FNG]

Watching/Reading Dawn Neeson and Richard Desmond pass the potato is fascinating apparently neither the proprietor or the editor knew anything about it.
Looking at the form, previous and subsequent Newsroom rebellions such as 2006s Daily Fatwa edition,and Richard Peppiats open resignation letter haven't marked an editorial shift like EDL gate which leads me to suspect Dawn Neeson overstepped the mark and got slapped down for it.

 

[malatesta32]

like i say the backtracking was the only thing i knew. but it seems like overstepping it is very feasible.

 

[lazyhack]

The truth about the Daily Star is far less exciting, nothing came down from Desmond. Hence the separate editorial team in Star Sunday taking the exact opposite line and running an anti-EDL piece the same week as the Daily Star's pro-EDL splash. The paper is very short staffed and someone high up made a very poorly informed editorial decision..

 

[FNG]

So can you shed any light on after Desmond did the round robin around various rival publications (Jewish Chronicle,Guardian,Independent) the following week disavowing knowledge of the Stars stance, did he communicate his position to those responsible?

 

[malatesta32]

TBF, by their own standards, it's not such a bad idea for a publicity stunt, is it?

I can't see a lot of difference between what they're doing (by the logic of their own politics) and what lefties do when they demonstrate outside the residence of a government minister, a tax avoider, or a hated boss...

The point of publicity stunts is to court media publicity. Success or failure is judged on the amount of publicity recieved... there's a clue in there somewhere.[/quote

OH DEAR!

http://twitpic.com/bolpnk

 

[framed]

Them going ahead with the demo/sing-song is funnier!

 

[FNG]

Especially after throwing their toys out of the pram earlier in the week

 

[bignose1]

Am I right in saying the EDL are planning a return to Manchester on March 2nd 2013??

 

[The39thStep]

Am I right in saying the EDL are planning a return to Manchester on March 2nd 2013??

its been leaked that they are but not confirmed by gmp

 

[malatesta32]

seasonal good cheer from us lot!
http://malatesta32.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/kevins-kristmas-karol/

 

[The39thStep]

British Freedom/EDL were back at Stockport Town Hall Friday with a somewhat reduced turnout of ..........one!

 

[malatesta32]

wow! im impressed they got even that! happy holidays urbanites!

 

[bignose1]

British Freedom/EDL were back at Stockport Town Hall Friday with a somewhat reduced turnout of ..........one!

He mustve been reading about fat boy Websters one man Town Hall caper and wanted a rerun....

 

[The39thStep]

Had elastic bands on the flag pole in case his greasy palms let it drop

 

[Ranbay]

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/kev-carroll-edl-christmas-address

 

[malatesta32]

Accusations on stormfront: 'Same thing happened in the North West Infidels.Some complete and utter rat called Ste Latimer has efectivley split that org by playing people off each other by making pages on facebook slagging people off even his so called mates even going as far as to bring their families in to it then accusing BNP/NF lads who are allied with the NWI of doing it.Sadly the people in the NWI are of limited intelligence and can not see this or believe it.The rat Latmier now fronts something called the Northern Casuals a fantasy outfit of never have been football hooligans.the NWI have some good lads involved,but will not achieve much now.'

 

[Firky]

 

[Red Storm]

Far-right vacuum could trigger 'lone-wolf' attacks

The fragmentation of the far right could spark a new wave of political violence and Anders Breivik-style lone-wolf acts of terrorism, according to the head of the UK’s first research centre into contemporary fascism.


The warning comes as new figures reveal that there have been nearly 500 anti-Islamic attacks since March, with more than half linked to supporters of far-right groups. Professor Nigel Copsey told The Independent that the electoral decline of the British National Party (BNP) and the splintering of street-based protest organisations such as the English Defence League (EDL) had created a potentially dangerous political vacuum on the far right.

He said the relative success of right-wing groups in recent years had radicalised thousands of people online who could seek new and more violent ways to express their opposition to Islam, immigration and economic stagnation.

“We have disturbing levels of hate crime in this country which gets under-reported, and we need to know more about the level to which the far right is involved in this,” he said. “This fragmentation and disintegration of the far right could increase the potential for political violence from small aggressive groups or lone-wolf or sole-actor terrorism.”

Speaking to mark the launch of the new Centre for Fascist, Anti-fascist and Post-Fascist Studies at Teesside University, he said there was no room for complacency: “We ignore them at our peril because the demand for and the causes of the far right are still with us – they haven’t gone away and in some cases are getting worse.”
New figures from the interfaith conflict resolution organisation Faith Matters reveal that there were 496 self-reported Islamophobic incidents in the past nine months. More than six in 10 of these were against women while one in 10 was against a mosque.

Fiyaz Mughal, the director and founder of Faith Matters, said there had been a significant change in the atmosphere. “The fact is that in the past six or seven months we have seen more threats of violence online. In the past six months we have seen a lot more calls to do something physically to mosques. It is moving from what is happening in their heads to actually doing it.”

Electoral support for the BNP has declined spectacularly since its peak in 2009 when its leader, Nick Griffin, appeared on the BBC’s Question Time.
He and a fellow party member, Andrew Brons, went on to win seats in the European Parliament. But by the 2012 local elections the party was riven by financial troubles and in-fighting and found itself reduced to just two councillors – from a peak of 57 in 2009.
In October, Mr Brons, a former member of the National Front, quit the party after claiming to have been described by Mr Griffin as “vermin”. He has since joined the rival Britain First as president.

Meanwhile, the English Defence League, formed in Luton in 2009 following Islamist demonstrations against British soldiers, has seen attendance plunge at its street demonstrations.

It was also hit by revelations that the Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik had extensive links to the EDL and had met its leaders during a visit to London.
Splits in the EDL have led to the emergence of the North West and North East Infidels, largely through social media, which have sought to exploit anxiety over child sexual exploitation and the opening of new mosque sites.

 

[malatesta32]

'Centre for Fascist, Anti-fascist and Post-Fascist Studies.' some cynics may see this as a nice bit of job creation by copsey who is justifying it with scaremongering - like searchlight/HnH have done. but not me!

 

[malatesta32]

EDL News saving us the bother of having to listen to KKKev's 'muggy mushroom' speech. mucho obligado!
http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/feat...r/957-kevin-carroll-s-christmas-speech-fiasco

 

[The39thStep]

'Centre for Fascist, Anti-fascist and Post-Fascist Studies.' some cynics may see this as a nice bit of job creation by copsey who is justifying it with scaremongering - like searchlight/HnH have done. but not me!

Well Goodwin has Extremis

 

[malatesta32]

yeah it's well dull. 'academic anti-fascism' seems to operate solely by feeding info to the media, like searchlight.

 

[butchersapron]

Gable has been pushing this lone-wolf line for the last few years - see his Lone Wolf Project and through various academics.

 

[The39thStep]

yeah it's well dull. 'academic anti-fascism' seems to operate solely by feeding info to the media, like searchlight.

expert witnesses in prosecutions of far right members
training for Prevent type delivery between councils and Police

more than just feeding info to the media Mal.

 

[malatesta32]

fair enough feller! (it's just a bit DRY!).

 

[The Black Hand]

yeah it's well dull. 'academic anti-fascism' seems to operate solely by feeding info to the media, like searchlight.

Its the way they bolster the 'reach' and 'credibility' of their research for future grant applications, all coverage bolsters their careers.

 

[malatesta32]

Its the way they bolster the 'reach' and 'credibility' of their research for future grant applications, all coverage bolsters their careers.

searchlight, the registered charity, have been doing this for years by inflating threats - column 88 and C18 - and the likes of copsey, goodwin etc are following suit in academia as well as acting as media pimps. the malatestas will be applying to the EU for a grant to research the political efficacy of 'drink a crate and smash the state' politics.