EDL watch

[framed]

but what is the reason for the leaks? is it plod leaking cos they fucked up the case? do they want to discredit downes family? if so why? there is the question of how the casuals got hold of it all, why they supressed it and that if its real, it shows EDL/BNP suppoirting pedos. this is really smelly.

I think those are the pertinent points Mal. Who gains from the leaks? If the documents are genuine then it means the fash and all sorts of fucking weirdos will be at each other's throats. I can't see past the cops being at the centre of the leaks meself. Either that or they may have been leaked via one of the defendants' legal teams. I can't see how anyone not directly involved in the case would get access without help from a cop, a solicitor, or maybe a social worker that was involved in the care of the children in the case... very smelly indeed.

 

[butchersapron]

defendants' legal teams.

Can't see beyond that myself. (Also, the stuff the non-existent and very scruffy 'casuals' were supposed to have was different stuff i think).

 

[malatesta32]

there are huge fuck ups with plod, social services, etc. if the docs are genuine then those 2 guys were being framed. to cover up downes snr goings on? someone posted 'confirmation' that they are gen and they were leaked ' the documents were liberated and have already gotten people into trouble apparently as the documents are legitimate.'
veracity is a problem here.
who benefits is the question?

 

[malatesta32]

this is some story. casuals havent said where they got it from. but why wd someone pass these incendiary docs to a bunch of scruffy drunks? who benefits? is it smearing cops for fucknig it up or smearing downes as the dad is alleged to be dodgy but plod dont have anything on him.

 

[butchersapron]

Same post about 5 times in a row there mal.

 

[malatesta32]

its really bugging me! i dont know why. enough already then!

 

[laptop]

the dad is alleged to be dodgy but plod dont have anything on him.

If the docs are genuine, plod had shedloads on dad but failed to work it up into something actionable.

And if they're fake, they're genius... you'd have to be plod to write like that, wouldn't you?

 

[malatesta32]

if plod leaked em it is to discredit the dad without having much of a case.
if defence did its to discredit plod and to cast doubt on the family.

 

[Red Storm]

if plod leaked em it is to discredit the dad without having much of a case.
if defence did its to discredit plod and to cast doubt on the family.

What would the police have to gain?

The case never really had a high profile and the EDL are not newsworthy, why would anyone bother?

 

[laptop]

if plod leaked em it is to discredit the dad without having much of a case.
if defence did its to discredit plod and to cast doubt on the family.

Looking at the document on how plod fucked up the audio evidence - with a strong suggestion that there was an attempt to falsify it - I'm even wondering whether the prosecution might have leaked, out of pique.

 

[malatesta32]

plod could have leaked em to smear dad downes. prosecution cd have cos of pique as laptop says. defence cd have done it to show that the case rested on 1 unreliable witnesses statement which cd not be backed up by the recordings. who is the one who loses most, the poor wee lassie. shame.

 

[cemertyone]

20 EDL members in Sanday Row today..........

 

[cemertyone]

20 EDL members in Sanday Row today..........

they where at the "one stop ulster shop"......what do you expect..i presume there was ameeting of minds going on

 

[Fingers]

Whoever leaked the docs have done far more to help her cause than the far right and the Downes family have done.

 

[butchersapron]

How? Serious answer required.

 

[Serotonin]

Yeah I'm trying to puzzle that statement out too.

 

[Ranbay]

Tommy Robinson - Abellend

 

[Corax]

Whoever leaked the docs have done far more to help her cause than the far right and the Downes family have done.

How? Serious answer required.

Yeah I'm trying to puzzle that statement out too.

I read Fingers as saying that exposing Downes Snr's network of abuse, if that's what it is, may do some good and possibly prevent more victims if it leads to further scrutiny and/or arrests.

 

[Fingers]

Yeah sorry for the late reply. What Corax said really.

If the documents are genuine, the police failed the kids, both Blackpool and West Midlands social services have failed them and the far right have used them to stir up some race hate and have a jolly old piss up by the seaside.

Now these documents are in the public domain, the two guys in the kebab house AND the Downes family may get investigated if the did give access to to their kids to nonces.

To their credit, the Casuals saw through this months ago and released two of these documents (where they got them from i do not know) to shame the EDL into distancing themselves from it. The EDL have been very quiet on the subject since and the only people who are still sucking the blood out of it are the BNP and the Nazi infidels types.

In that way, if the young girl is dead, this alleged cover up is no longer covered up and it could be her last hope of getting justice.

Personally, the best outcome to this is that the girl decided enough was enough and has run away and is now living a happy life without the fuckwits that were suppose to be looking after her, protecting her and providing a safe and secure environment for her.

That is a long shot I know.

 

[Fingers]

BFP surrender http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/late...sh-freedom-surrender-under-a-cloud-of-secrecy

 

[Ranbay]

BFP surrender http://edlnews.co.uk/index.php/late...sh-freedom-surrender-under-a-cloud-of-secrecy

Nobody told Micahel.... lol

 

[Mr.Bishie]

It goes beyond farcical.

 

[malatesta32]

the fluffies bite the dust. one of the more ineffectual groupuscules recently - tho so many to choose from. they never shd have sacked batty lee barnes. he is very clever!

 

[love detective]

did they actually deregister themsleves, or were they just late with the annual return/RP8 form and got automatically struck off?

have been threatened with that before a couple of times with the IWCA

 

[Fingers]

KKKev had his front door kicked off it's hinges this morning by plod.

 

[The39thStep]

Them:Support the flag in Ulster, people have died for it. Not democratic. What did I think?

Me: I am English and not really bothered about the Irish etc etc

had a good fifteen minutes conversation with him all very polite, I asked him to explain what he meant by civic nationalism. Three kids aged about 18-20 , someones girlfriend , a bloke with a biker jacket mumbling and their main man who used to be in UKIP.

 

[krink]

did they actually deregister themsleves, or were they just late with the annual return/RP8 form and got automatically struck off?

have been threatened with that before a couple of times with the IWCA

from some stuff i was looking at earlier it looks like the leader bloke deregistered them himself. will look for the link...

 

[love detective]

sonia gable/searchlight have just posted an article saying it was because they didn't submit the form/pay the annual fee (and had a pop at matthew collins for suggesting they had voluntarily deregistered)

 

[love detective]

From the electoral commission, this says they were statutorily deregistered, which means they didn't do it voluntarily

 

[Fingers]

lolz