The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
weren't they there last month?
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malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
yeah. pointless stab at publicity. what did they think? he wd come out and tell the EDL off? wankers!
malatesta32
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what a bunch of keckin' eejits! more 'unity' on the right then.
framed
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TBF, by their own standards, it's not such a bad idea for a publicity stunt, is it?
I can't see a lot of difference between what they're doing (by the logic of their own politics) and what lefties do when they demonstrate outside the residence of a government minister, a tax avoider, or a hated boss...
The point of publicity stunts is to court media publicity. Success or failure is judged on the amount of publicity recieved... there's a clue in there somewhere.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
well most ministers etc are fairly anonymous and the protests are to bring about publicity. but who doesnt know about qatada. also the daily mail beat them to it anyway! been saying this for a while that these demos are 15 minutes of fame jobs by ageing hooligans to impress eejits in the pub.!
framed
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Well, if you're going to use the '15 minutes of fame' criteria to judge the effectiveness of particular demonstrations, apply it across the board...
I said that if you look at it from their political point of view it's not just a run-of-the-mill publicity stunt, it's a good publicity stunt to demonstrate outside of the home of a suspected Islamic 'terrorist'. Doesn't mean I agree with them politically, just that I understand the logic of it and am not going to get all sneery about their 'stupidity', because it's not a stupid idea if judged from their perspective.
I remember the Saoirse campaign for Irish poitical prisoners pulling off a very good publicity stunt around demonstrating outside of Michael Howard's private residence some years ago - he was a govt minister at the time. I've also seen Militant in its heyday organise demos outside of witch-hunting Labour MP's homes. All in the name of publicity and their 15 minutes.
I don't really understand the objection to a publicity stunt purely on the basis that it was nothing more than a publicity stunt?
That 'the Daily Mail beat them to it' would be relevant were it simply about the far-right exposing the whereabouts of Qutada, but it wasn't. They can at least be credited with a bit of thought in trying to organise fascists singing Christmas Carols outside of his home to give it that extra flavour of Crusaders v Islamists. At least they are a little more ambitious than a tabloid which simply screams, "WE KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE!"
framed
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Supporters of Irish republican prisoners demonstrating outside of a govt minister's private residence seems no more or less 'stupid' and with all of the same possible scenarios of the security services to consider... so what's your point?
Fash protest = BAD, kick their hinges off... or Left protest = GOOD, leave the hinges on
What exactly is it that makes the far-right, in particular, the 'stupid' ones and somehow more deserving of state violence?
I am genuinely interested, because I fail to see what there is to laugh at half-the-time. Okay, they have a propensity for fuck-ups, but let's face it, there's a lot of people out there waiting to fuck them up. I find laughing down our noses at them a bit silly really because, unlike the left, the ideas of the right actually have some resonance in working class communities, while the ideas of the left don't even register.
Are we laughing at them simply to reinforce our feelings of political superiority over the fash?
Is the conservative middle-class left any less sectarian, less prone to in-fighting, or any less 'stupid'
Fingers
From Tuscany SE22
The fuck ups tend to be of the momentousness act of stupidity kind and a lot of people laugh at them. One thing the far right does not like is being laughed at and no one taking them seriously.
Are we laughing at them simply to reinforce our feelings of political superiority over the fash?
No we laugh at them because they genuinely provide us with something to laugh at.... and they hate doing that.
Blatantly messing with the work of the security forces and bragging about on Facebook it is another example of gross stupidity and if it ends with them getting their hinges blown off, so be it, I and others with have a bit of a laugh over it.
I have no times for the holier than thou fash hugging brigade. I do not give a flying shit what class they are, they are cunts and deserve to be mocked. They are cunts whatever class they are, not because of the class they are.
Are we laughing at them simply to reinforce our feelings of political superiority over the fash?
No we laugh at them because they genuinely provide us with something to laugh at.... and they hate doing that.
Blatantly messing with the work of the security forces and bragging about on Facebook it is another example of gross stupidity and if it ends with them getting their hinges blown off, so be it, I and others with have a bit of a laugh over it.
I have no times for the holier than thou fash hugging brigade. I do not give a flying shit what class they are, they are cunts and deserve to be mocked. They are cunts whatever class they are, not because of the class they are.
framed
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Your talent for comedy isn't apparent on this thread, so I'll wait to be persuaded that you actually have a sense of humour by which you can distinguish the funny from the unfunny.
"Blatantly messing with the work of the security forces..." ?
Who the fcuk are you - Colonel Blimp?
To be frank, I spend more of my time laughing at 'superiority complex' lefties, who are funnier than the fash could ever hope to be.
"holier than thou fash hugging brigade" - I am hardly that, if you care to check.
They are cunts whatever class they are, not because of the class they are.
Yes, quite. However, class does matter. If it didn't matter, the middle-class left might have some rapport within working class communities. As much as you say that it doesn't matter where the fash come from, in terms of class background, I would argue that it actually matters quite a lot where their political opponents come from, if they are ever to have any hope of beating the fascists in working class areas. Class matters, especially to the class whose support you hope to win.
Instead, 'the left' relies on ridicule of fascist 'fuck-ups' as an alternative to actually countering them politically in those communities where they are strongest. The real comedy is provided by the demand that working class people should, 'Vote Labour to keep out the Naaaaarzeeees'.
Now that really is funny.
Fingers
From Tuscany SE22
"Instead, 'the left' relies on ridicule as an alternative to actually countering them politically"
Regarding the likes of the EDL/BNP, they are pretty poor at countering anything politically, espesh the EDL. We can either take the piss or hand wring.
The EDL are anti working class, they target trade unions, anti welfare reform groups, groups like occupy and anyone who actually campaigns to make things better for their 'class'.
Plus they are hate filled racist cunts,
If they profess to be working class, they are class traitors of the highest form.
So forgive me for mocking these cunts as and when I can.
framed
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Okay Fingers, I know what you mean... yes, of course they are class traitors, but it takes a bit more than an understanding of the slogans to counter them effectively imho.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
yes, i think we can say in all truth that framed is hardly hug-the fash!
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
yeah and he had been done for smack as well coupla year ago. yet another far right career criminal superstar!
elbows
Well-Known Member
Slapstick vs satire.
krink
I'll do it this afternoon
as rumored about a month back, the edl have announced they will be doing a national demo in Newcastle in the new year sometime. this is the last area in the uk where they still have support - 200 recently for a local. so if anyone fancies a dodge up for the counter, maybe we could have a meet and a jar or three??
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
framed, to highlight an issue that is not being highlighted can be effective but what is the actual point of demoing outside qatada's hoose? the media know he is there, so do the public and the cops. also the EDL has been a giant vanity project for people and the egotism has been highlighted by annoyed followers of the cult. they love getting on telly.
malatesta32
Not Serb. No, Really!
oh, and i agree that there are elements of the left that love that kind of publicity too. yes, it shd be applied across the board.
My 2 cents Firstly the fact the paparazzi are staking out qatada's house provides the EDL with an easy photo op,if qutada going shopping is deemed newsworthy the EDL turning up singing carols would.
Secondly and more importantly it perpetrates the myth that Islamists and by extension Muslims are opposed to Christmas. If the EDL turn up cause a breach of the peace and get nicked it feeds into a wider underlying narrative of minorities wanting to Ban Christmas,ie the Winterval myth. If the EDL turn up and the demo passes off peacefully they are seen as cheeky chappies cocking a snook at the evil islamicist panto villan, from their perspective its a Win Win.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
By who? No ones really watching are they?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Q1: Their tiny and dwindling potential recruit base doesn't care one way or another - their mind is made up already as to what they think. As to scenario a) the active ones have shown no appetite for risking serious disorder and so serious sentences, leaving little chance that those outside of the group are and scenario b) who is going to be attracted by wasting a wet Saturday where nothing happens - that noting happens at their stuff is one of the reasons behind their fall in numbers. Lose-lose to my mind.
Q2:Assumes a) they will get publicity rather than getting nowhere near and so not seen by any media and b) said media would give them attention if they did - not been much sign of the media caring about the EDL (apart from a quick star burst) and the Qatada story has enough angles without bringing them in.
Q2:Assumes a) they will get publicity rather than getting nowhere near and so not seen by any media and b) said media would give them attention if they did - not been much sign of the media caring about the EDL (apart from a quick star burst) and the Qatada story has enough angles without bringing them in.
Q1
A] It might not take serious disorder to get the police to over-react in such circumstances, indeed from the EDLs perspective the more trivial the better.
B] There are more than a few idiots who believe singing carols is offensive to muslims,and more than a few who were up for it as their FB attests to.
Q2 A week might be a long time in politics,but its not that long ago the EDL were getting favourable headline publicity in the Star, presumably those sympathetic hacks haven't gone away and would quite happily,given half a chance get the EDL bandwagon rolling again
A] It might not take serious disorder to get the police to over-react in such circumstances, indeed from the EDLs perspective the more trivial the better.
B] There are more than a few idiots who believe singing carols is offensive to muslims,and more than a few who were up for it as their FB attests to.
Possibly in mine too,but not in theirs which is why i guess they planned it.
Q2 A week might be a long time in politics,but its not that long ago the EDL were getting favourable headline publicity in the Star, presumably those sympathetic hacks haven't gone away and would quite happily,given half a chance get the EDL bandwagon rolling again
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