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EDL in Tower Hamlets on 20/06

just another question here thrown into the mix; if the NF organized an 'anti-black gang' demonstration in Hackney or something, should the left both oppose them and set up their own anti-black gang demonstration?
 
that's not a comparison of the situation at all though is it?

To match up, there would have to first have been arranged, at a prominent local venue, a group of New York black gangs coming over to give a conference on why it's Hackney gang members duty to mug non-black people. Which I would suggest would be a perfectly fine thing to organise against. This all being done after the New York gang conference has been kicked out of all of the local black venues for stirring up trouble.

basically you're talking out of your arse, and trying to make up comparisons which are completely fanciful (as the one above is)
 
Bristly Pioneer said:
that's not a comparison of the situation at all though is it?

To match up, there would have to first have been arranged, at a prominent local venue, a group of New York black gangs coming over to give a conference on why it's Hackney gang members duty to mug non-black people. Which I would suggest would be a perfectly fine thing to organise against. This all being done after the New York gang conference has been kicked out of all of the local black venues for stirring up trouble.

basically you're talking out of your arse, and trying to make up comparisons which are completely fanciful (as the one above is)
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no, because the fundamentals of the issue aren't about the organizational level of the group in question; this Troxy group could well just be a local gang and the counter-counter-counter-protest would still be defended by the anarchoids on here. the fundamentals are that they're a group which is damaging to the community and with a reactionary political character, but who appeal to a certain layer of a disenfranchised community. the only basis upon which the left should protest them is via their own members in the respective marginalized communities, not on those community's behalf.
 
Black gangs aren't on a political platform. If the NF wanted to march in Hackney about it no doubt they'd be doing it from a black people = criminals pov and casting white people in the role as the victims in all of it despite it being black people for the most part who are the victims of black gang culture. The only link I can see between this situation and the Muslim one is that black gang culture in the uk is a result of being disenfranchised members of society. But there isn't anyone standing on a podium encouraging black youth to take up arms and turn on their own communities, it's merely a by-product of the society we live in.
 
Interesting picture with the fash lurking ominously in the background.

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I thought you'd all be interested in this press release denouncing the Troxy speakers from within the Muslim community

PRESS STATEMENT FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
TOWER HAMLETS COMMUNITY STANDS UP TO FIGHT FASCISM IN ALL its COLOURS:
The entry of the English Defence League (EDL) into Tower Hamlets to protest against a meeting organized under the auspices of the Federation of Student Islamic Societies (FOSIS) is a direct provocation to stir up racial tensions, foment dissent among faiths and attempt to bring disunity amongst the communities of the borough. We condemn the fascist EDL whose sole objective is to act as storm troopers for the British National Party (BNP) and pick up the pieces for them after their miserable rout in the local and national elections in neighbouring Barking and Dagenham Council. Under the guise of being non-political and upholding “English” values they are propagating a virulent form of naked Islamophobia which is rejected by the communities of Tower Hamlets. We will do everything in our power to defend the peace in the borough, protect the lives of Muslims and ensure that the unity amongst all is maintained.
This borough has a rich tradition of successful challenge to fascist forces of the Blackshirts and the National Front. The Battle of Cable Street in the 30,s and the Struggle for Brick Lane following Altab Ali’s murder in the 70’s and the move to oust Derek Beackon in the 90’s is part of our common history. The values of universalism, anti-racism and no compromise with fascism inform our thinking and has become part of our existence. We will build on this rich tradition as we face Oswald Mosley’s grandchildren.
As we confront the fascist thugs of EDL we in the Bengali and the Muslim community are being asked to stand side by side with Islamic Forum in Europe (IFE). This we refuse to do. The IFE does not represent the Muslim community in Tower Hamlets. They do not uphold the glorious tradition of Cable Street, Altab Ali and the anti racist movement. Under the patronage of an exclusivist Islam emanating from Saudi Arabia they are attempting to impose it amongst the Bengalis in this borough. Just as the EDL takes the guise of being ordinary English citizen to hide their true identity of fronting the fascist BNP so do IFE act as the sole representatives of ordinary Muslims but are in fact operating under the direction of their parent organisation Jamaat-e- Islami in Bangladesh. It is Jamaat that was party to the massacre of innocent Bangladeshis in the 1971 war of independence that establish the independent state of Bangladesh. A war Tribunal has been established in Bangladesh to try leaders of Jaamat-e- Islam who are IFE’s real ideological and organisational gurus. In other words IFE represent a virulent form of political Islam that is fascistic in nature like Jaamat Islam and verges on the anti-Semitic and is very exclusivist and undemocratic.
In defending the people of Tower Hamlets and especially the ordinary Muslims we do not have to defend IFE. EDL is attacking the Muslims of this borough and we must protect them. IFE must not be allowed to use this occasion to propagate their very reactionary version of political Islam.
We must also alert the entire community about the opportunist and divisive politics of IFE. Using this latest EDL threat to the local community, it is clear to us that the IFE brigade is trying to terrify the most vulnerable in our community – the Bangladeshi women and children into joining their ranks under the banner of ‘defending the Ummah’. It has come to our knowledge that IFE and its operatives have sent out mass e-mails, text messages and visited members of the community including young children in primary schools ask them to join forces and defend Muslims and East London Mosque from imminent threat of destruction.
All progressive forces must realize that the gut reaction to EDL is to defend everybody including IFE because they might be accused of being Islamophobic. But we boldly proclaim that it is not Islamophobic to have no trucks with the heirs of Fascist Jaamat. It is not Islamophobic to denounce the anti democratic credentials of IFE and their Saudi patrons. It is not Islamophobic to show solidarity with the Muslims of Tower Hamlets and their diverse representative organisations without marching under the leadership of IFE. We cannot be consistent in fighting the fascist EDL if we elect the “fascist” IFE as our Imam. In line with the best in the Islamic and Bengali tradition we reject the siren calls of IFE as we prepare to organise against EDL.
On behalf of:
Harmuz Ali (Bangladesh Welfare Association - BWA), Sajjadur Rahman (Brick Lane Mosque), Shamsuddin Shams (Altab Ali Memorial Foundation), Badrul Islam (Centre for Citizenship and Development (CCD), Akikur Rahman (Bangladesh Youth Association), Rajonuddin Jalal (London Bangladeshi Association), Ansar Ahmed Ullah (Nirmul Committee), Mahmoud Rauf (Brick Lane Business Association), Abdus Subhan Gedu (Banglatown Restaurant Association), Ethnic Minority Enterprise Project (EMEP), Abdul Ali Rauf (Chicksand Citizen’s Forum), Collective of Bangladeshi School Governors, Tower Hamlets Parents Centre, Tower Hamlets Parents Association, APASENTH, BYM, Nurul Islam (Kendrio Shaheed Minar Committee), Sundar Miah (Tarling Tenants & Residents Association), Nooruddin Ahmed (Bangladesh Youth League), Ruhul Amin (Progressive Youth Organisation), Taimus Ali (Bangladesh Youth Front), Shahab Uddin Ahmed Belal (Human Rights Secretary, Awami League), Cathy Forrester, Claire Murphy, Phil Maxwell, Terry Fitzpatrick (Blair Peach Project), Syed Sad Ahmed, Fanu Miah (Golden Moon Youth Project), Julie Begum (Swadhinata Trust), Amina Ali (international Forum for Secular Bangladesh), Sujit Sen (Liberation), Gita Sahgal, Subir Sinha, Alice Sielle (St. Barnabas church Bethnal Green), Imtiar Shamim (Muktangon: Nirman Blog), Rayhan Rashid (War Crimes Strategy Forum), Saikat Acharjee (WCSF), Nowrin Tamanna (University of Reading), Anisur Rahman Anis ( Bangladesh Human Rights Council UK), James Swapan Peris ( Bangladesh Hindu Buddhist Christian Unity Council- European committee), Whitechapel Anarchist Group, Ansarul Haque, Tower Hamlets Muslim Council & Jim Fitzpatrick MP Poplar and Limehouse.
Contact for further details:
Mr. Nurul Islam – 07984 610199 / 07836 332262
On behalf of UNITY PLATFORM AGAINST RACISM AND FASCISM
C/O Bangladesh Welfare Association, 39 Fournier Street, London E1 6QL
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TopCat said:
People hanging about?
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nah, a small girl with social problems getting moody with ineffectual socialist men. She's in the middle of that picture I originally posted, and has an e e edl badge on.

At 1.08 in this video, she starts to punch them (both funny and disturbing in a good/bad way):



Disturbing mainly :eek:
 
Das Uberdog said:
if the NF organized an 'anti-black gang' demonstration in Hackney or something, should the left both oppose them and set up their own anti-black gang demonstration?
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The Social Workers would denounce gangsterophobia and try to negotiate a Gangsta-Trot electoral alliance. Prince Charles would make heartfelt speeches about how much we have to learn from the venerable traditions of Yardies. The Labour Party would propose a law making it a criminal offence to disrespect thugs and robbers. Boris Johnson would boast of his robber ancestors and praise the entrepreneurial spirit of gun-toting crack-dealers.
 
Poor old anarchs!

Unfortunately, four white local punk anarchists (who are actively against the EDL) were caught up in the atmosphere of paranoia and were attacked by 30 angry young Asian men.​

See: http://www.schnews.org.uk/archive/news7277.php

We mustn't be too critical of the "angry young Asian men", must we? It would be too much to expect them not to beat up godless white kuffars with funny haircuts.
 
News report on yesterday's Secular Society march in London (One Law for All).


This report from Russia Today shows that much photographed EDL woman & two kids, from West Midlands 'division' speaking to their reporter. The RT news report also claims UAF joined the demos and shouted 'Allahu Akbar'.
! RT are increasingly cited/linked by EDL
 
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