EDL in Tower Hamlets on 20/06

[Citizen66]

Wear your best perfume!

 

[Das Uberdog]

no point, it'll be overpowered by the stench of your shit

 

[Citizen66]

Last time someone said something as lame as that I must have been ooooh, twelve?

 

[frogwoman]

Protesting against the Iranian regime? Yes
Protesting against the attack on Yugoslavia and the subsequent human rights violations of the (largely Muslim) Albanian-dominated government against the Serbs? No
Protesting against Saudi Arabia's treatment of women? Yes
Protesting against colonisation and settlement building in Morocco and Western Sahara and Darfur? ... No?
Protesting against Egypt for its deals with Israel and for not opening their border crossing in Gaza? Err, obviously not.

kind of irritating we have to go through these baby-steps as to where and when it is reasonable for the British left to have a demonstration, when it's really quite obvious.

So protesting against one western-backed regime dominated by Muslims (Kosovo) is reasonable and protesting against another (Saudi Arabia) is - ah forget it.

 

[Das Uberdog]

froglady, you're really not being as smart as you think you are

 

[Citizen66]

Remember folks: internet hardman is the clever one here.

 

[Ranbay]

Everyons hard on the internet

 

[stethoscope]

froglady, you're really not being as smart as you think you are

Talking down to?

 

[frogwoman]

froglady, you're really not being as smart as you think you are

Im not trying to be smart. Im genuinely confused as to how you think that protesting against Saudi Arabia (which, i might as well remind you, is a US ally) is something that the british left should not do. There isn't any need to be rude btw. I take your points and I actually agree with a lot of them. I just don't see how leftists in this country should be squeamish about supporting the left in Islamic countries, who campaign against racism, misogyny, anti-semitism and other issues and emphasise their class struggle politics because Muslim communities over here are targetted by the government, media, etc. Surely it should be about solidarity between the working class of all countries and not adapting your campaigns to who you think is more oppressed depending on what country you're in?

How about the poor situation of women in Iraq? Would it be right to protest against that? Or is that OK because that was the subject of an imperialist invasion?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Frogwoman is actually a lot smarter than she thinks she is.

Das Uberdog, by contrast, is a fuckwit who should be given das boot from these parts.

 

[Blagsta]

froggy's pretty smart

 

[frogwoman]

thanks but i dont think so x

 

[cantsin]

Uberdog, you are pathetic,

this is a deeply complex argument, UDog has put a pretty strong case for the straight -'anti edl ' side ( though not sure I agree with him ) , how the fuck does that make him "pathetic " ?

 

[frogwoman]

he's not pathetic. his posts have actually made me think,i don't agree with him mind.

 

[Das Uberdog]

i have a short cyber-fuse. doesn't always help get my point across.

 

[ohmyliver]

edit; @frogmeister

it's not your place, nor is it Mr. Local himself, Citizen88's place, to protest against this group - even if the Mosque has condemned it. it's an internal Islamic community issue, and if they're happy with the measures they've taken to ensure the Troxy group gets little attention and has little impact, then it is fundamentally not for the left to go about demonstrating against them. the left should not be protesting against Muslims in Britain today. it makes zero sense, on any concievable level.

The left should not be seeing 'the Muslims' as a single homogeneous block.

 

[frogwoman]

well. quite

 

[Jeff Robinson]

@ DU To be fair I did agree about 50% with your initial point, but it got somewhat buried upon a steaming pile of cyber poo.

edi: actually make it 15%

 

[Das Uberdog]

The left should not be seeing 'the Muslims' as a single homogeneous block.

i've never said anything you could sensibly construe as meaning that. all i've said is that the Troxy group is an issue for the ummah in all of its wonderful multi-faceted and faithed glory to deal with.

 

[Cigarette paper]

i've never said anything you could sensibly construe as meaning that. all i've said is that the Troxy group is an issue for the ummah in all of its wonderful multi-faceted and faithed glory to deal with.

You do give me the impression of someone who has internalised the idea that Muslims are a monolithic bloc. I don't know how else you could justify a lot of your opinions.

 

[Das Uberdog]

no, explain why what i've said suggests that Muslims are a homogeneous group of people.

 

[JHE]

all i've said is that the Troxy group is an issue for the ummah in all of its wonderful multi-faceted and faithed glory to deal with.

Us kuffar should know our place and shut up

 

[Streathamite]

edit; @frogmeister

it's not your place, nor is it Mr. Local himself, Citizen88's place, to protest against this group - even if the Mosque has condemned it. it's an internal Islamic community issue, and if they're happy with the measures they've taken to ensure the Troxy group gets little attention and has little impact, then it is fundamentally not for the left to go about demonstrating against them. the left should not be protesting against Muslims in Britain today. it makes zero sense, on any concievable level.

bollocks. You should always protest against that which is homophobic, sexist bigoted, racist and so forth. Regardless of whichever bunch of pondlife are attacking them for quite different, equally odious reasons.

 

[Das Uberdog]

in which case, you've totally lost your class perspective and have descended into cultural politics.

 

[Citizen66]

Ah, misogyny and homophobia are a cultural issue so people should keep their noses out.

 

[Das Uberdog]

can you actually read?

 

[Pickman's model]

can you actually read?

can you actually think?

 

[Das Uberdog]

i'm sorry, care to explain how the comment before mine wasn't moronic or stfu?

actually dealing with tadpole fucking minds.

 

[Citizen66]

You seem to think that misogyny and homophobia from 'other cultures' in our communities is separate from class politics, even though it is likely to affect working class muslims.


Superior intellect my arse.

 

[Das Uberdog]

where did i say it was 'separate'?