Proper Tidy
Arsed
Who are this MAtC lot? Are they anything to do with Islam 4 UK/Al Muj?
EDL in Tower Hamlets on 20/06
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
UAF chanting Allahu Akbar in that vid above.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Extremists/ Dupes / Losers
ohmyliver
poppin' like a cork
It would seem that they are Al Muj rebranded.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I kid you not. 2.20 onwards.
Did the UAF actually join the MAtC demo or was that a bad bit of reporting?
Ranbay
The same rules apply
nah, a small girl with social problems getting moody with ineffectual socialist men. She's in the middle of that picture I originally posted, and has an e e edl badge on.
At 1.08 in this video, she starts to punch them (both funny and disturbing in a good/bad way):
Disturbing mainly
Is there any logic in two groups standing there hurling slogans at each other?
The anti-fash guy is seemingly a failed pop star who had to quickly find a new vocation to justify the purchase of the microphone, or something.
That Russia today report also showed the Police arresting and removing the EDL lot as they did not have permission to march.
I wonder if the Sharia people did have permission ?
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
Here's images of the police, escorting a group from Whitechapel all the way to Downing Street, where they place them in a pen next to the Islamist MaC/I4UK/Al-M (between the NSS's One Law for All anti-Sharia demonstration and the counter-demoing MaC).
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheBisub#p/a/u/0/LjZU9q5aKwg
This is the group with UAF banners and cries of Allahu Akbar that we see enter in the OLFA video.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
sounds like a confused day tbh - i don't think you can seriously read Sharia-Lawrites into a bunch of kids who splintered from a UAF demo when they heard the EDL were in town. it's no secret that Allahu Akhbar gets chanted by Islamic sections on some UAF demos, but it's abit much to read into this that UAF is somehow organizing with and coordinating the activities of a broader layer of Islam 4 UK activists or something.
kids hear about EDL, they go to protest, police corrall them into the most immediately convenient 'group' and they all chant Allah is greatest.
kids hear about EDL, they go to protest, police corrall them into the most immediately convenient 'group' and they all chant Allah is greatest.
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
Why did the police facilitate their march to Downing Street and direct them to the MaC pen?
'"Police officers were attacked by the crowd at points throughout the afternoon. One member of the public was attacked at random by members of the crowd as those gathered surged up and down the Whitechapel Road. '
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-attacked-during-antiracist-march-2006407.html'
i love the way the SWP will go out of their way to condone and 'understand' the behaviour/activities of young muslim men but when it comes to similar WWC kids who may do bad things like march with the EDL, they 'have to be smashed'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/police-attacked-during-antiracist-march-2006407.html'
i love the way the SWP will go out of their way to condone and 'understand' the behaviour/activities of young muslim men but when it comes to similar WWC kids who may do bad things like march with the EDL, they 'have to be smashed'
'Upon reflection WAG believes the UAF, who had spent the previous few weeks scaremongering, behaved irresponsibly in what turned out to be nothing more than a sensational recruitment drive. Despite organizing a 5000-strong march, they obviously felt no sense of responsibility towards local people once they had realized few were willing to be recruited– fleeing Whitechapel for the provinces after giving their speeches and selling their papers. A few hours after the march ended they were nowhere to be seen, leaving the police and locals in a tense stand-off.'
http://whitechapelanarchistgroup.wordpress.com/
power without responsibility?
http://whitechapelanarchistgroup.wordpress.com/
power without responsibility?
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
I was about to point you to the heavy-handed policing that was witnessed by WAG
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
I think this stuff just shows that the SWP have learnt nothing from the RESPECT debacle - and will learn nothing whilst they continue entertain their essentially (imagined) proprietary relationship with muslim communities. They should have learnt that the latter have their own interests and their own class cleavages which they will act on and there's nothing the SWP can do about it. The same farce is playing out once more - not in council chambers this time but 'in the streets' (ugh).
They really need to learn sharpish that their attitude that us and only us have the right to engage with muslim communities (we own them), the rest of you are racists if you challenge this - because they're helping heighten racial tensions and instead of the model we're always presented with of the swp pulling muslims towards class politics their antics are actually pushing more and more people further into solely muslim identities.
I don't blame people for reacting in such a way in the face of such blatant provocations btw but if the UAF tactics (scaremongering, talking militant etc) are helping to further this then it effects us all and we have the responsibility to criticise their approach - and we have the right not to be labeled racist in return.
They really need to learn sharpish that their attitude that us and only us have the right to engage with muslim communities (we own them), the rest of you are racists if you challenge this - because they're helping heighten racial tensions and instead of the model we're always presented with of the swp pulling muslims towards class politics their antics are actually pushing more and more people further into solely muslim identities.
I don't blame people for reacting in such a way in the face of such blatant provocations btw but if the UAF tactics (scaremongering, talking militant etc) are helping to further this then it effects us all and we have the responsibility to criticise their approach - and we have the right not to be labeled racist in return.
The Black Hand
Unclean
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
I agree with everything you said there, butchersapron.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
what utter rubbish.
you don't think working class people are victims of misogyny, homophobia and other prejudices? typical idiotic swappie ;posturing, and as near-perfect illustration, as any I've seen, as to why the Socialist Burkas Party are a total irrelevance to and in the lives of the british working classes.
and it is NOT 'cultural politics' to take a stand whenever such ugly things rear their head - it's called 'principles' - those selfsame principles you all merrily jettisoned to form WESPECK
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
actually,as is pitifully obvious, I was doing precisely the opposite. the one doesn't preclude the other, you know
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
you've just said what I was trying - and failing - to articulate.
audiotech
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Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
if you believe that cultural issues need to be protested in their own right, separate from the context of uniting the class in common struggle, then you are separating the two. that is unavoidable fact, here for all of us to see.
No, it is you who is doing that. You appear to be compartmentalising homophobia and misogyny in the Muslim community as a 'cultural thing' and therefore we should keep our noses out of Muslim business.
Everyone else is arguing that the victims of said homophobia and misogyny are likely to be w/c Muslims, so it should be opposed as part of class solidarity.
Das Uberdog
remembers the alamo
they are cultural issues, because they can impact people on a cross-class basis a la 1970s militant feminism, black nationalism, etc.
and also what's being missed out is that many of the Muslim 'victims' of mysogyny and homophobia are to a certain degree willing victims, insofar as they have internalised the conservative cultural belief system of the Mosque. raving on at a group of Muslims about their reactionary beliefs when in fact what is needed is for them to be united with is counter-productive and absent of class understanding.
edit; just to be clear, my position is that these issues should be engaged with, but on a case-by-case basis rather than as part of a campaign to root out reactionary values within the Islamic community or something.
and also what's being missed out is that many of the Muslim 'victims' of mysogyny and homophobia are to a certain degree willing victims, insofar as they have internalised the conservative cultural belief system of the Mosque. raving on at a group of Muslims about their reactionary beliefs when in fact what is needed is for them to be united with is counter-productive and absent of class understanding.
edit; just to be clear, my position is that these issues should be engaged with, but on a case-by-case basis rather than as part of a campaign to root out reactionary values within the Islamic community or something.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
That's okay then.
Also, love the 'victims' bit.
They're not real victims. They fucking loves it!
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