earliest use of baseball bats as weapons?

[Pickman's model]

the earliest report of the use of baseball bats as weapons i can find comes from this report from "the irishman" of 30 july 1870





does anyone know of an earlier?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Blimey, 1870.

does anyone know of an earlier?

Sasaferrato?

 

[cheesethief]

"Officer Shield was shot in the neck..."

Ironic.

 

[weepiper]

That could be a description of an orange march in Belfast or Glasgow now. Plus ca change

 

[Sasaferrato]

That could be a description of an orange march in Belfast or Glasgow now. Plus ca change

Well, I can't recall a shooting... But yes, ingrained hatred doesn't change in a generation, or even several generations.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Blimey, 1870.



Sasaferrato?

Well, as you are older than me...

 

[8ball]

Well, I can't recall a shooting... But yes, ingrained hatred doesn't change in a generation, or even several generations.

Sometimes it does. Eg. Australia’s experience of sectarian violence last century and how they handled it.

But too rarely.

 

[Pickman's model]

baseball bats as weapons - earliest use - any advance on july 1870?

 

[8ball]

baseball bats - earliest use - any advance on july 1870?

May 1843.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Sometimes it does. Eg. Australia’s experience of sectarian violence last century and how they handled it.

But too rarely.

Yes, I could see that exported hatred would die down, especially as the protagonists may be a small section of the populace.

In Scotland and Northern Ireland though, it continues to disgrace us.

 

[Pickman's model]

May 1843.

yeh perhaps you could expand on that

 

[8ball]

Yes, I could see that exported hatred would die down, especially as the protagonists may be a small section of the populace.

In Scotland and Northern Ireland though, it continues to disgrace us.

I think the Australian approach of compulsory mixed schooling would at least help.

 

[8ball]

yeh perhaps you could expand on that

The 12th. Pub closing time.

 

[Pickman's model]

The 12th. Pub closing time.

and this was reported...

 

[belboid]

May 1843.

Seems unlikely as that was before the first official game of baseball had been played in the States

 

[8ball]

and this was reported...

Are you being strict about Knickerbocker rules, by the way?

 

[Pickman's model]

Are you being strict about Knickerbocker rules, by the way?

i'm being strict about wanting the details of the incident.

 

[8ball]

Seems unlikely as that was before the first official game of baseball had been played in the States

You still needed a bat for unofficial games.

(the first recorded game was nearly a century earlier, although the rules had not been codified at that point)

 

[Celyn]

That could be a description of an orange march in Belfast or Glasgow now. Plus ca change

I don't *think* there has been much messing about with pistols and baseball bats and 20-pounds stones in Glasgow lately.

 

[8ball]

i'm being strict about wanting the details of the incident.

Oh, I thought you just wanted the date.

 

[isvicthere?]

Was it also Old Firm match day?

 

[belboid]

You still needed a bat for unofficial games.

(the first recorded game was nearly a century earlier, although the rules had not been codified at that point)

but it wouldn't have been a 'baseball bat' it would have been a rounders bat, or just a big stick

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Not quite the same, but Hurleys were used as weapons over here. Many "games" were really fights...to the point where people were killed.

Obviously that was a very long time ago.

 

[8ball]

but it wouldn't have been a 'baseball bat' it would have been a rounders bat, or just a big stick

It was called baseball (and earlier “bass-ball”) well before 1845.

 

[Pickman's model]

they missed a trick here



manchester courier 13/2/1866

 

[weepiper]

Not quite the same, but Hurleys were used as weapons over here. Many "games" were really fights...to the point where people were killed.
You
Obviously that was a very long time ago.

Was going to say. Cu Chulainn used a hurley as a weapon in the Tain did he not. That's a story from the 1st or 2nd century AD written down in the 12th century then.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Not quite the same, but Hurleys were used as weapons over here. Many "games" were really fights...to the point where people were killed.

Obviously that was a very long time ago.

If ever one wants to judge the sanity of a nation, look at the national game.

Hurling is even more insane than shinty, just.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Was going to say. Cu Chulainn used a hurley as a weapon in the Tain did he not. That's a story from the 1st or 2nd century AD written down in the 12th century then.

Absolutely.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

If ever one wants to judge the sanity of a nation, look at the national game.

Hurling is even more insane than shinty, just.

But it's a great game to watch from a safe distance

 

[Pickman's model]

anyway a search of the british newspaper archive doesn't return any results for events before 12/7/1870