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Driving Standards

hash tag said:
" he was given formal advice". Have you ever seen that phrase used for your average offender.
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No. Because your average offender isn't a judge.

"Formal advice" is a level of censure given to judges who are investigated by the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office, which is the body which overseas complaints against judges. So basically he was given a bollocking by them as well as copping the points and fine.
 
He was not exactly stupid. So did he do it out of arrogance or because he thought he was above the or, or, if caught, he could get away with it?
 
I have an friend who is a magistrate, when she started she told me that a speeding ticket was massively frowned on, it had to be declared and showed your disrespect for the law.
I told her that a speed awareness course didn’t need to be declared to anyone, she thought it did, but didn’t look in to it further as she was always very careful. Six months later she told me I was right and she done the course and didn’t need to declare...
 
A question. Even though I like to think I am a very safe and competent driver, from the legal point of view there is one situation I have never been clear of the rules in the UK Highway Code.

On my commute home I go through the Tulse Hill one-way system. In its westerly direction it has the westbound lane of the South Circular and the Northbound lane for those travelling from West Norwood towards Herne Hill meet and run parallel to each other, as seen below

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There are no give way signs on either road, and I have always treated such road layout the same as the kind of merge lane situations you get on the A303 when the dual carriageway ends: traffic on both lanes merge as if it was a zipper, left-right-left-right...

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In other words, if no priority is indicated and you want to change lanes at the same time as cars on the other lane also wanting to switch, you give priority to any vehicles ahead of you and have priority over cars behind you.

The system makes perfect sense to me I and plenty of drivers employ it perfectly safely, but I also see some drivers who stop dead where the two lanes first join, and wait for traffic on the other lane to clear before changing lanes. So I was wondering if they’re following the correct Highway Code procedure or are just being extra cautious...

ETA: for clarity I should add that
 
Artaxerxes said:
Freemium cars anyone?

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I really don't see the issue here. When you purchase a 'K' version of a Pentium chip, it can be overclocked (because it's unlocked), and you pay more for it. When you purchase a 100MHz oscilloscope, it can (and often does) have the exact same internals as a 200 or 300MHz oscilloscope, it's just the software that's different.
The manufacturers can offer the cheaper version because some people will willingly pay a premium for the more expensive, 'all-singing-all-dancing' version. This is how the world works, and has done for as long as I can remember. Ten grand more on a car doesn't mean you're getting ten grand more in parts, it means you're able to tell your neighbour you paid ten grand more for it. The sane amongst us just hack the software and get everything for free.
 
T & P said:
A question. Even though I like to think I am a very safe and competent driver, from the legal point of view there is one situation I have never been clear of the rules in the UK Highway Code.

On my commute home I go through the Tulse Hill one-way system. In its westerly direction it has the westbound lane of the South Circular and the Northbound lane for those travelling from West Norwood towards Herne Hill meet and run parallel to each other, as seen below

View attachment 261013

There are no give way signs on either road, and I have always treated such road layout the same as the kind of merge lane situations you get on the A303 when the dual carriageway ends: traffic on both lanes merge as if it was a zipper, left-right-left-right...

View attachment 261017
In other words, if no priority is indicated and you want to change lanes at the same time as cars on the other lane also wanting to switch, you give priority to any vehicles ahead of you and have priority over cars behind you.

The system makes perfect sense to me I and plenty of drivers employ it perfectly safely, but I also see some drivers who stop dead where the two lanes first join, and wait for traffic on the other lane to clear before changing lanes. So I was wondering if they’re following the correct Highway Code procedure or are just being extra cautious...

ETA: for clarity I should add that
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Merging properly requires a bit of planning, a bit of looking around to see who is where on the road and where your 'natural' slot is. If other people do the same thing there's no issue. Some drivers aren't good at thinking ahead though. That being said, better to stop and wait than to dive in front of someone else at the last second.

If there's a mergey bit coming up I will usually try and make sure I'm in the left hand lane well before I get there. But if everyone did that there'd be no point having two lanes at all.
 
Saul Goodman said:
Ten grand more on a car doesn't mean you're getting ten grand more in parts, it means you're able to tell your neighbour you paid ten grand more for it.
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Saul gets something right for once. Although he probably wouldn't agree with me that if you spend enough money to feed several families for a year on a couple of extra bells and whistles for your car, you should by rights be put against a wall and shot.
 
T & P said:
A question. Even though I like to think I am a very safe and competent driver, from the legal point of view there is one situation I have never been clear of the rules in the UK Highway Code.

On my commute home I go through the Tulse Hill one-way system. In its westerly direction it has the westbound lane of the South Circular and the Northbound lane for those travelling from West Norwood towards Herne Hill meet and run parallel to each other, as seen below

View attachment 261013

There are no give way signs on either road, and I have always treated such road layout the same as the kind of merge lane situations you get on the A303 when the dual carriageway ends: traffic on both lanes merge as if it was a zipper, left-right-left-right...

View attachment 261017
In other words, if no priority is indicated and you want to change lanes at the same time as cars on the other lane also wanting to switch, you give priority to any vehicles ahead of you and have priority over cars behind you.

The system makes perfect sense to me I and plenty of drivers employ it perfectly safely, but I also see some drivers who stop dead where the two lanes first join, and wait for traffic on the other lane to clear before changing lanes. So I was wondering if they’re following the correct Highway Code procedure or are just being extra cautious...

ETA: for clarity I should add that
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In the Channel Islands they have signs to spell out what you should do here, Filter In Turn.
 
T & P said:
A question. Even though I like to think I am a very safe and competent driver, from the legal point of view there is one situation I have never been clear of the rules in the UK Highway Code.

On my commute home I go through the Tulse Hill one-way system. In its westerly direction it has the westbound lane of the South Circular and the Northbound lane for those travelling from West Norwood towards Herne Hill meet and run parallel to each other, as seen below

View attachment 261013

There are no give way signs on either road, and I have always treated such road layout the same as the kind of merge lane situations you get on the A303 when the dual carriageway ends: traffic on both lanes merge as if it was a zipper, left-right-left-right...

View attachment 261017
In other words, if no priority is indicated and you want to change lanes at the same time as cars on the other lane also wanting to switch, you give priority to any vehicles ahead of you and have priority over cars behind you.

The system makes perfect sense to me I and plenty of drivers employ it perfectly safely, but I also see some drivers who stop dead where the two lanes first join, and wait for traffic on the other lane to clear before changing lanes. So I was wondering if they’re following the correct Highway Code procedure or are just being extra cautious...

ETA: for clarity I should add that
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I think that the legal situation on this junction goes like this:

Each entry road goes into a specific lane.
There is no give way because it's not needed - you exit the junction directly into the lane you are going to use
Then if you need to change lane you follow the normal rules for doing so.

This means that if you are in the left lane and traffic in the right lane is flowing, you will have to give way to that traffic, not necessarily stop and wait where the roads join but it's hard to judge how long that stretch of road is from streetview.

When people swap lanes I think you are right about priority to vehicles ahead of you, priority over cars behind you and that's how it broadly works with a similar situation on the Birmingham ring roads - in this case though the ring road is much heavier in traffic so those entering the ring road will always stop if the swapping can't be done properly.
 
MickiQ said:
We've got three actually, As well as my A6 and my son's Golf, Mrs Q has a Nissan Micra as well. I daresay that condemns us completely in your eyes but car nepotism (love that term totally going to steal it) is great completely eliminates the need to use public transport and prevents us from mixing with the disease ridden proles.
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T & P said:
A question. Even though I like to think I am a very safe and competent driver, from the legal point of view there is one situation I have never been clear of the rules in the UK Highway Code.

On my commute home I go through the Tulse Hill one-way system. In its westerly direction it has the westbound lane of the South Circular and the Northbound lane for those travelling from West Norwood towards Herne Hill meet and run parallel to each other, as seen below

View attachment 261013

There are no give way signs on either road, and I have always treated such road layout the same as the kind of merge lane situations you get on the A303 when the dual carriageway ends: traffic on both lanes merge as if it was a zipper, left-right-left-right...

View attachment 261017
In other words, if no priority is indicated and you want to change lanes at the same time as cars on the other lane also wanting to switch, you give priority to any vehicles ahead of you and have priority over cars behind you.

The system makes perfect sense to me I and plenty of drivers employ it perfectly safely, but I also see some drivers who stop dead where the two lanes first join, and wait for traffic on the other lane to clear before changing lanes. So I was wondering if they’re following the correct Highway Code procedure or are just being extra cautious...

ETA: for clarity I should add that
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The one way system is a huge road/junction with lots of visibility and should never be a problem. Come West along the A3 to Wandsworth
to the top of West Hill and you will find this. it is a lot tighter. As a driver, always expect the unexpected.
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Bahnhof Strasse said:
In the Channel Islands they have signs to spell out what you should do here, Filter In Turn.
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And in Tulse Hill the rule is to gun the fuck of it as you round the bend - and make up as many places as possible without stranding yourself on one of the islands between the ped crossings. Always hoping against hope that you don't rear end a rail replacement bus at the stop on the left.
5 points for every car you overtake on the uphill drag, with a score multiplier if you do it whilst driving with blue running lights and a bored out exhaust.
 
Spymaster said:
No. Because your average offender isn't a judge.

"Formal advice" is a level of censure given to judges who are investigated by the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office, which is the body which overseas complaints against judges. So basically he was given a bollocking by them as well as copping the points and fine.
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Friend from college joined the polis oop north.
Got pissed enough one night to not realise it was a bad idea to drive in that state and got stopped.

Miraculously the paperwork got mislaid - but he was "given words" and it was suggested that his career aspirations were better directed outside of the force
 
There's a bit in the chase when the wrong un is trying to squeeze through some heavy traffic, he gets through because the drivers were moving aside to let the police through :D
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
In the Channel Islands they have signs to spell out what you should do here, Filter In Turn.
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Yeah but the channel islands have weird traffic regs, Like every junction is a roundabout, but they don't have little roundabouts painted on the road. It's why hire cars there have to have big stickers like L plates on them to warn islanders.
 
nick said:
Friend from college joined the polis oop north.
Got pissed enough one night to not realise it was a bad idea to drive in that state and got stopped.

Miraculously the paperwork got mislaid - but he was "given words" and it was suggested that his career aspirations were better directed outside of the force
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Whatever else the rozzers do, the slightest wiff of drink driving these days and out on their ear. A bit different from yesteryear.
 
OI find the M3 one of the better motorways as well. What little experience I have, I am sure that driving has got worse since we were locked down.
 
The M23 can be bad for middle lane hoggers, as can the M4. Different destinations, different type of drivers perhaps...
;)
 
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