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Driving Standards

It's the areas of Smart motorway on the M1 and M62 that bug me with the lane hoggers tootling along in lane3 with their headphones on completely oblivious to the empty left hand lanes
 
They both have their pros and cons, but I genuinely believe that with proper lane discipline, a US-style freeway system that allows for undertaking would work better in busy 3+ lane motorways in this country than the established system.

Middle lane hoggers will never go away, and IMO the ‘stay on the right lane at all times unless overtaking’ system is becomes deficient and even unfit for purpose above a certain traffic density level.
 
marty21 said:
There's a bit in the chase when the wrong un is trying to squeeze through some heavy traffic, he gets through because the drivers were moving aside to let the police through :D
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Middle Q had a sleepover on Friday/Saturday at one of her mates when she was about fourteen, I went to collect her on Sunday morning and I could see a cop car tanking up behind me with its lights flashing so I pulled over to let them through. There was a black car between the cop car and me and I was expecting him to pull over as well. But he swerved round me and kept going and I realised Plod were chasing him. There was a roundabout at the end of the road and he almost turned over going round and turning right. By the time I reached the roundabout, two more cop cars came racing up from the other direction and went zooming off.
Spymaster said:
The mistake the copper made here was to not continue to accelerate and squash the scrote on the tree too.
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I hoped they billed this scrote for the repairs to front of the cop car, you can see him in the video spinning the wheel and clearly wondering what the fuck is happening.
 
existentialist said:
Thank you for adding that
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My memory is shit and I couldn’t remember which post this came to, so I thought I’d check but don’t seem to see it. Out of curiosity, which post were you quoting?

(As an unrelated issue, I might bring up this issue in the feedback forum, as it’s quite annoying that one cannot easily go to the quoted post when one is quoted)
 
T & P said:
My memory is shit and I couldn’t remember which post this came to, so I thought I’d check but don’t seem to see it. Out of curiosity, which post were you quoting?

(As an unrelated issue, I might bring up this issue in the feedback forum, as it’s quite annoying that one cannot easily go to the quoted post when one is quoted)
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Driving Standards

" he was given formal advice". Have you ever seen that phrase used for your average offender. No. Because your average offender isn't a judge. "Formal advice" is a level of censure given to judges who are investigated by the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office, which is the body which...
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existentialist said:
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Driving Standards

" he was given formal advice". Have you ever seen that phrase used for your average offender. No. Because your average offender isn't a judge. "Formal advice" is a level of censure given to judges who are investigated by the Judicial Conduct Investigations Office, which is the body which...
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LOL. Nice cliffhanger I left there... I can’t even remember for certain what I was going to say, and it might well have been the leftover text of a semi composed post I’d started ITT at some point in the past, so you haven’t missed on any mind blowing revelations from me.
 
www.bbc.co.uk

Newcastle driver left student to die in road after crash

Emma Guilbert was on a crossing when Mohammed Youssaf crashed into her and drove off.
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Oh ffs, this takes the piss.

A speeding driver who left a student dying in the street after crashing into her has been jailed.
Emma Guilbert had moved from Manchester to Newcastle to study six weeks before she was hit by Mohammed Youssaf.
Youssaf was travelling at 40mph in a 30mph zone and struck the 18-year-old on a pedestrian crossing, sending her flying 120ft (36m) before he drove off.
He was jailed for 30 months after being found guilty of causing death by dangerous driving.
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30 months = 2.5 years, out in time for Wimbledon next year :mad:
 
The legal hire scooters that were brought in here recently (Bristol) are always being ridden by squawking drunks late at night, sometimes two on one scooter. Would be funny to see some of those getting collared.

The company that operates them do sometimes impose kerfews (general or for specific areas), and are quite good at responding to public feedback. You do have to have a provisional or full license to register to use one, and the company imposes its own bans for bad behaviour.
 
hash tag said:
You stupid boy Pike
BBC News - Devon and Cornwall police officers sacked after speeding
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Devon and Cornwall police officers sacked after speeding

The policemen were on road safety duty when they drove at 89mph in a seized vehicle.
www.bbc.co.uk
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The officers had seized the vehicle, and while waiting for a recovery vehicle to arrive, drove it without the owner's permission reaching speeds up to 89 mph over 3.1 miles.

PC Pike, who was a passenger, filmed PC Pearce speeding.
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Then posted it on WhatsApp!

Thick pair of cunts :D
 
Dogsauce said:
The legal hire scooters that were brought in here recently (Bristol) are always being ridden by squawking drunks late at night, sometimes two on one scooter. Would be funny to see some of those getting collared.

The company that operates them do sometimes impose kerfews (general or for specific areas), and are quite good at responding to public feedback. You do have to have a provisional or full license to register to use one, and the company imposes its own bans for bad behaviour.
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I read about this scheme a while ago. Are these things insured? They're motorised vehicles being used on public roads.
 
A two-pronged question:

1. Are there any legal consequences between e-bikes and e-scooters involving drunk users who happen to hold a car driving licence?

2. Regardless of what the current legislation might dictate, from a logical/ ethical point of view, does anyone who thinks it is right for people who are caught drunk on an e-scooter to lose their licence have any objection to someone on an e-bike being subjected to the same punishment?
 
E bikes are the same as regular pushbikes, so no consequences for driving licences as drunk in charge is the worst thing, a fine.
E scooters are motor vehicles so any offence on one is the same as with a car.

An e bike won’t move unless you peddle it, an e scooter goes when you press a button. It does sound harsh to lose your licence but it is clearly a motor vehicle whereas an e bike is more properly called an e assist bike, so a bike...
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
E bikes are the same as regular pushbikes, so no consequences for driving licences as drunk in charge is the worst thing, a fine.
E scooters are motor vehicles so any offence on one is the same as with a car.

An e bike won’t move unless you peddle it, an e scooter goes when you press a button. It does sound harsh to lose your licence but it is clearly a motor vehicle whereas an e bike is more properly called an e assist bike, so a bike...
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Fair enough. I would however still maintain that as it stands the law is clearly not fit for purpose from a safety standpoint, and should be updated.

Most ebike users routinely travel at 15+ mph. Hell, Deliveroo riders are clearly reaching well over 20 mph as I judge them with my speedometer. Scooters in the meantime are limited to 15 mph.

There’s no question of of a scooterist possibly causing more damage in a collision, so as it often happens in this country compared with our Continental neighbours, we’re hopelessly slow to update our motoring legislation to reflect changes in society and technology.
 
Before anyone thinks I’m on a crusade against cyclists, I’m actually looking at it from the other angle: the more people taking up scooters, the better for our cities and the environment, so it should be encouraged and not riddled with OTT legal requirements.

In Berlin they’re everywhere, including hire ones found on every street, like rental bikes. Not for me but I think it’s great they’re so easily accessible.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
E bikes are the same as regular pushbikes, so no consequences for driving licences as drunk in charge is the worst thing, a fine.
E scooters are motor vehicles so any offence on one is the same as with a car.

An e bike won’t move unless you peddle it, an e scooter goes when you press a button. It does sound harsh to lose your licence but it is clearly a motor vehicle whereas an e bike is more properly called an e assist bike, so a bike...
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Saw an amusing 'road-rage' interaction between a cyclist & e-scooterist today; the latter j-pulled across the latter. Much shouting ensued at ever increasing distance, but what made me giggle was the fact that the scooterist repeatedly referred to the cyclist as a jackass! :D
 
Not in favour of e-scooters because they so often get used on the pavements at speed. Along with the general poor condition of roads and pavements and those tiny wheels I can't see how they are safe to drive.
 
E assist bikes can only assist up to 15mph, the motor cuts out after that so if they are faster they are just a normal bike.

The issue with drunk e scootering is that when you’re pissed it is easy to get on one and push a button and smash in to whatever. With a bicycle, e assisted or not you have to cycle the thing so if smashed you tend to just fall off, which is why the limit to be drunk in charge is so much higher than for a motor vehicle.
 
T & P said:
Before anyone thinks I’m on a crusade against cyclists, I’m actually looking at it from the other angle: the more people taking up scooters, the better for our cities and the environment, so it should be encouraged and not riddled with OTT legal requirements.

In Berlin they’re everywhere, including hire ones found on every street, like rental bikes. Not for me but I think it’s great they’re so easily accessible.
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They’re a menace in Berlin, Reno...
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
They’re a menace in Berlin, Reno...
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They are indeed. For some reason lots of people who hire these scooters seem to think that traffic rules don't apply to them. That's not just jumping the odd red light when no traffic is around but doing whatever they want in any direction without looking, on pavements, roads and cycling paths. Nearly got run down a couple of times by scooters going up the cycling path the wrong direction, they are a menace on pavements and then they get parked in the stupidest places where they are in the way. We get lots of accidents with them here, alcohol has been cited as the main reason.
 
Visually impaired people find them quite distressing, silently whizzing along pavements the first they know is the whoosh of air as one passes inches from them, then they fall over the things parked all over the shop. There is a long way to go with these before they can be considered part of transport infrastructure.
 
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