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chandlerp said:
It's allowed when there is congestion. Somebody travelling under the speed lmimt in the outside lane is naturally causing congestion as soon as another vehcile is around.
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A lot of people think the speed limit in the outside lane is 20mph faster than the one for the inside lane though. Lots of dickheads will tailgate, flash lights and generally harass you if you're overtaking at 70 on a dual carriageway.
 
Griff said:
Some welcone news:

news.sky.com

Middle lane hogging targeted by national campaign

Poor lane discipline is likely to make other road users feel frustrated, while tailgating often makes other drivers feel anxious, stressed or unsafe, National Highways says.
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I've always wondered why driving on motorways isn't a standard part of learning to drive, which is probably why there are so many people who don't know or understand lane discipline.
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A 'don't hog the middle lane sign' has appeared right at the south end of the M5. Just before the road splits into the A30 and A38 dual carriageways, with the middle lane splitting in two. So possibly the only place where moving into the middle lane early actually makes a lot of sense. The biggest risk at that junction is people staying left until the last minute then trying to cut across two lanes in a hurry.

Also moving into the middle lane when passing a junction is just good common sense, to leave space for joining traffic. This brilliantly conceived 'don't hog the middle lane' sign is about 400 yards beyond two busy junctions that are only quarter of a mile apart, so perfectly placed to needlessly browbeat thoughtful and considerate motorists who plan ahead and think about other road users.

All in all, if a highly motivated committee of brilliant minds had been given 18 months just to pick the stupidest place on the entire motorway network for a 'don't hog the middle lane' sign, they could scarcely have done a better job.
 
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SpookyFrank said:
A lot of people think the speed limit in the outside lane is 20mph faster than the one for the inside lane though. Lots of dickheads will tailgate, flash lights and generally harass you if you're overtaking at 70 on a dual carriageway.
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:facepalm:

If you're not driving a German car with over 300ps, you shouldn't be in our lane.

It's not rocket science.
 
Spymaster said:
:facepalm:

If you're not driving a German car with over 300ps, you shouldn't be in our lane.

It's not rocket science.
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Those fuckers who get into the outside lane to pass somebody who's doing 69mph in the middle lane, then spend 5 minutes trying to overtake at 69.2mph, for fear of speeding, and wonder why cars behind them are flashing their headlights... Worse than cyclists!
 
chandlerp said:
And it's not illegal unless you're actually switching lanes to pass them.
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The highway code treats both changing lanes or not exactly the same:

Rule 268
Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.
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Nether are strictly illegal, both could result in a careless or dangerous driving charge.
 
BigTom said:
The highway code treats both changing lanes or not exactly the same:



Nether are strictly illegal, both could result in a careless or dangerous driving charge.
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Thanks for that, so it is vague enough that they can nick you for driving like a twat. Which is fair enough.
 
Just seeing the local FB lose their collective mind over the A-road going 20mph. I mean, if you seriously can't drive 20mph without staring at your speedo the whole time and revving the engine then it's a wonder how you passed your driving practical. Though a lot of it is the usual "I hate Khan because I'm a racist, so I need to find other things to publicly hate him for".
 
Chz said:
Just seeing the local FB lose their collective mind over the A-road going 20mph. I mean, if you seriously can't drive 20mph without staring at your speedo the whole time and revving the engine then it's a wonder how you passed your driving practical. Though a lot of it is the usual "I hate Khan because I'm a racist, so I need to find other things to publicly hate him for".
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It is possible to hate Khan because he's a cunt too.
 
Spymaster said:
It is possible to hate Khan because he's a cunt too.
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It is, but based on the other posting on the same people I'm sticking to my reading of it. :p
I think he's a waste of space, but not much past that. And I'm pretty sure TfL don't take dictation on "fuck that road in particular" from him.
 
Chz said:
Just seeing the local FB lose their collective mind over the A-road going 20mph. I mean, if you seriously can't drive 20mph without staring at your speedo the whole time and revving the engine then it's a wonder how you passed your driving practical. Though a lot of it is the usual "I hate Khan because I'm a racist, so I need to find other things to publicly hate him for".
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Plenty of people will have learned to drive in a time when there were no 20 limits.

Not that that's any excuse. It's been a few decades now and it's not that hard to wrap your head round is it?
 

Man jailed for ramming motorcyclist off bridge in act of 'extreme road rage'​

Nikesh Mistry, 34, repeatedly tried to force a motorcyclist off the road, leading to a head-on collision with an oncoming car and the biker being thrown off a bridge.

On 19 November, 2022, Mistry, driving a silver BMW near the Walton Roundabout, Milton Keynes, had "an incident" with a man in his 40s riding a motorcycle.
After what police described as a "non-verbal exchange" Mistry then began to try and force the motorcyclist off the road.
They ended up driving down the wrong side of the road as the motorcyclist had to take evasive action to avoid a collision.
Mistry kept trying to force the motorcyclist off the road, trapping him between his vehicle and a metal barrier as they crashed into an oncoming car.
The motorcyclist was catapulted off the bridge and into the undergrowth below.
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news.sky.com

Man jailed for ramming motorcyclist off bridge in act of 'extreme road rage'

Nikesh Mistry, 34, repeatedly tried to force a motorcyclist off the road, leading to a head-on collision with an oncoming car and the biker being thrown off a bridge.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
 
Saul Goodman said:

Man jailed for ramming motorcyclist off bridge in act of 'extreme road rage'​

Nikesh Mistry, 34, repeatedly tried to force a motorcyclist off the road, leading to a head-on collision with an oncoming car and the biker being thrown off a bridge.



news.sky.com

Man jailed for ramming motorcyclist off bridge in act of 'extreme road rage'

Nikesh Mistry, 34, repeatedly tried to force a motorcyclist off the road, leading to a head-on collision with an oncoming car and the biker being thrown off a bridge.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
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Just how is that not attempted murder?
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
Just how is that not attempted murder?
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The chap it happened to posted on twitter rightly complaining about the low sentence and a lot of people asked the same question.

I’ll try and find the tweet but it was yesterday so….

Anyway, something to do with the extremely high level of proof required to prove someone had planned to carry out murder. Apparently it is easier to prove murder, because you have a body, than attempted murder so they often go for ABH etc. to guarantee a conviction.
 
tbf, I do know why it isn't attempted murder, but it is quite clear that the definition of attempted is the thing at fault here.

Should be more along the lines of GBH committed in such a way that a reasonable person would expect that the victim could easily die as a result of the actions.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
tbf, I do know why it isn't attempted murder, but it is quite clear that the definition of attempted is the thing at fault here.

Should be more along the lines of GBH committed in such a way that a reasonable person would expect that the victim could easily die as a result of the actions.
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Yeah there’s definitely a gap there.
 
spitfire said:
Anyway, something to do with the extremely high level of proof required to prove someone had planned to carry out murder. Apparently it is easier to prove murder, because you have a body, than attempted murder so they often go for ABH etc. to guarantee a conviction.
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It's easier to prove murder because the prosecution only needs to show that the perpetrator intended to commit GBH for a killing to be murder, while for attempted murder it is necessary to show that they intended to kill them.
 
dont know why murder / attempted-murder is not considered when a car is involved .... it just isnt (historically) . A Garda (irish police) friend told me years ago that its something to do with a car not being a 'tool' and a car's primary purpose is to transport people , so it cant be weaponized (un like a knife or a hammer) ..... despite the dog on the street knowing that it can (just shows the gap between the law and real life)
 
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