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Not to mention reflectors front and back and on the wheels. At the end of the day, the cyclist should not have been there.
It's not just the cyclist that's lost a life, its a big loss to all his family and friends. He was clearly much loved.
What do you mean, should not have been there?.

The big problem with the careless driving charge is that the cps and defendant will go for it knowing it's just a slap on the wrist.
 
Facking hell.

4 years, amazingly didn't kill or seriously injure anyone.


I’ve been on a motorway when that’s happened. I saw a lot of cars in front of me sharply pulling left and right. I thought there must be a person or stopped car in the road so slowed right down in the inside lane and a blue Fiesta came pootling past in the middle. Turned out to be an old girl who got a bit confused. Fuck knows how she managed it though because it was a good way down from the junction which was roundabout fed with traffic lights.
 
Killing with no licence or insurance should be enough for hefty custodial, driving like that makes crashes almost inevitable. Fucking joke.
 
8 weeks in prison (edit: nope, misread, suspended sentence), 1 year no driving, what a joke. Wasn't licenced anyway so why would anyone think that ban would matter.

Should be viewed as manslaughter with the same range of sentencing, and in this case should have been at the top of the range since they drove off and lied to the police. 20 years with life imo. No easy parole for someone who does something like this. Laws need changing and the CPS needs to charge people properly and follow it through in court, not go for the easy charge which sets a precedent.
 
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8 weeks in prison, 1 year no driving, what a joke. Wasn't licenced anyway so why would anyone think that ban would matter.

Should be viewed as manslaughter with the same range of sentencing, and in this case should have been at the top of the range since they drove off and lied to the police. 20 years with life imo. No easy parole for someone who does something like this. Laws need changing and the CPS needs to charge people properly and follow it through in court, not go for the easy charge which sets a precedent.
He didn’t go to prison.
 
This is true , I notice it more when I drive outside London 😄
There are even nuances within town
My driving gently adapts from full on “no quarter given ” when I leave Sarf London to “no sir/madam after you” when on suburban streets in Rayners Lane.
It is a lot more genteel in NW london I find
 
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There are even nuances within town
My driving gently adapts from full on “no quarter given ” when I leave Sarf London to “no sir/madam after you” when on suburban streets in Rayners Lane.
It is a lot more genteel in NW london I find
I think it depends on how busy the roads are and what the weather is like. If the roads are really busy and traffic really slow, drivers tend to be a lot more assertive.
If it is a hot, sunny day drivers tend to be a lot more chilled.
 
I think it depends on how busy the roads are and what the weather is like. If the roads are really busy and traffic really slow, drivers tend to be a lot more assertive.
If it is a hot, sunny day drivers tend to be a lot more chilled.
Aggressive not assertive. I learned to drive in London and it's striking (especially abroad) when you see you don't have to drive like a dickhead.
 
I learned to drive in London and it's striking (especially abroad) when you see you don't have to drive like a dickhead.

Struggling to think of any country where the general driving standards are less dick-headed than London's. Certainly none of Europe except perhaps Scandinavia.
 
Struggling to think of any country where the general driving standards are less dick-headed than London's. Certainly none of Europe except perhaps Scandinavia.
Different rather than dick-headed (maybe) - but I have noticed that in Malaysia there is a great love of high speed tailgating. They must have the reaction times of a ninja.
Whereas in Aus (QLD at least) breaking the speed limit seems to have the same level of social acceptability as drink driving
 
Struggling to think of any country where the general driving standards are less dick-headed than London's. Certainly none of Europe except perhaps Scandinavia.

Perhaps because you are looking at it through the eyes of a London driver. I'm not talking about general levels of driving skill, just the level of aggression.
 
Everyone on the move in London acts in an aggresive manner. Drivers, bus drivers, transport drivers, bikers, delivery bikes, cyclists, delivery cyclists, e-scooter riders, and pedestrians. Not literally everyone, but a lot of them from every form of transportation in existence.
 
Everyone on the move in London acts in an aggresive manner. Drivers, bus drivers, transport drivers, bikers, delivery bikes, cyclists, delivery cyclists, e-scooter riders, and pedestrians. Not literally everyone, but a lot of them from every form of transportation in existence.
Yeah, the roads are nothing compared to the tube.
 
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