Donald Trump - MAGAtwat news and discussion

[BigMoaner]

If it ends up as a landslide, we should have a reasonable idea on Wed morning, if it's as tight as the polls are suggesting, it could take days before the final result is known.

Yeh some saying up to 12 days if neck and neck

 

[ID47]

Guantanamo.

Camp X-Ray Alaska edition.

 

[WouldBe]

It'll be hanging chads all over again.

Punching holes in computers is never a good idea.

 

[ID47]

Mussolini style

i like it

Mussolini was an Esso petrol station, works better than lamposts as one can string up a whole selection in one go. Upside down too for added insult.

 

[Ax^]

Mussolini was an Esso petrol station, works better than lamposts as one can string up a whole selection in one go. Upside down too for added insult.

hmm also a good idea

Directions - Exxon - Capitol Hill - Washington, DC - DC

 

[emanymton]

what’s your beef with people from Chad?

They're called Chad.

 

[xenon]

workmate today, as we're waiting for the elevator, says, "let's enjoy today, because it's the last day of our lives."

I just bumped into an acquaintance from NYC in the local pub, she lives in this area. has voted. You can probably guess which way. we had a dark little joke about what might happen. Good luck guys.
Sorry she voted Harris if that wasn’t obvious I was not being ironic.

 

[Petcha]

Donald Trump is now saying he would like to stage a wrestling match between Penn State’s college wrestlers or UFC champions and the migrants he has accused of stealing jobs from US citizens.

“Oh, those Penn State guys, I wanted them to wrestle the migrants,” Trump says, referencing a campaign visit to Penn State, which has a famous wrestling team.

He also referenced Ultimate Fighting Championship CEO Dana White: “I told Dana, you ought to set up your league of champions—unbelievable, best fighters in the world—and a migrant league.”

“At the end I want the migrant to go against the champions, and I think the migrant might actually win. That’s how nasty some of those guys are.”

Trump went back and forth between reminiscing about his Penn State visit and dreaming of a wrestling match involving migrants to the US.

“I felt very comfortable with those big Penn State wrestlers,” Trump said. “I said to them, ‘Fells, you might be the only guys in the country who could beat the hell out of the migrants. It’s true. They’re the only ones who could beat the migrants in the fight.”

 

[Petcha]

He actually just said that.. im gonna miss him, in some kind of sick way

 

[spring-peeper]

A fb friend posts a lot of US election cartoons, but this I like this one. Seems to sum up some of Harris's messages.

 

[Yossarian]

He actually just said that.. im gonna miss him, in some kind of sick way

I don't think he's going to shut the fuck up if he loses, I doubt he'll even stop holding rallies

 

[Petcha]

he's currently conflating imported cars from mexico with the fentanyl problem

 

[Nine Bob Note]

What will Trump do if/when he loses?

Liz Truss fucked off to America when she lost - are we gonna see him rock up in Clacton? Perhaps he'd bring the local MP back with him?

 

[breadandcircuse]

Is the fucker ever going to shut up? He's spouting all the same old bs non stop, being shown on Sky. I want to tape his fucking lying mouth up. Why are they sticking with his nonsense? The lies and insults he can just spout with no pushback is deplorable.

 

[Lord Camomile]

I don't think he's going to shut the fuck up if he loses, I doubt he'll even stop holding rallies

Quite possibly not.

Not the hottest take, but it seems clear that's the bit he likes, not the presidency.

 

[SpookyFrank]

What will Trump do if/when he loses?

Go to jail?

 

[Ax^]

What will Trump do if/when he loses?

take more money off the fools that voted for him that a given.. grift on recounts for 2 years and then grift on another run for the next 2

that or death

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

What will Trump do if/when he loses?

Liz Truss fucked off to America when she lost - are we gonna see him rock up in Clacton? Perhaps he'd bring the local MP back with him?

That’s easy - he’ll claim that he has really won. He’s done it before. And it explains the “couldn’t give a fuck” attitude to what he and his supporters have said and done throughout the campaign - to them, it doesn’t matter. We are not dealing with “normal” Conservative politics here. The right has radicalised - with some assistance, ahem… - in the US and elsewhere to the point at which it now sees things from an anti-democratic revolutionary viewpoint, rather than a legalistic or moralistic one. Anything goes… Lying, violence, law breaking, hate speech, incitement etc etc

Most on here, self included, would like to see Trump, Vance, Musk, Thiel, Kirk, Gabbard, Rogan, Loomer, & the whole fascist clown show totally humiliated and tearing each other apart in defeat. And there is hopefully still a chance of that. But we should not confuse our desires with reality. Defeating the scum that are rising to attempt to seize (and consolidate, lock in and not give up) power in country after country is going to be painful and prolonged. It was last time…

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

He actually just said that.. im gonna miss him, in some kind of sick way

Even if he loses he will be saying dumb shit every single day, I wouldn't worry. There will be plenty of court cases.

 

[two sheds]

They'll be much more entertaining if he loses though

 

[agricola]

Isn’t that the same UFC where the most dominant fighters are Muslims from Dagestan?

 

[Wilf]

That’s easy - he’ll claim that he has really won. He’s done it before. And it explains the “couldn’t give a fuck” attitude to what he and his supporters have said and done throughout the campaign - to them, it doesn’t matter. We are not dealing with “normal” Conservative politics here. The right has radicalised - with some assistance, ahem… - in the US and elsewhere to the point at which it now sees things from an anti-democratic revolutionary viewpoint, rather than a legalistic or moralistic one. Anything goes… Lying, violence, law breaking, hate speech, incitement etc etc

Most on here, self included, would like to see Trump, Vance, Musk, Thiel, Kirk, Gabbard, Rogan, Loomer, & the whole fascist clown show totally humiliated and tearing each other apart in defeat. And there is hopefully still a chance of that. But we should not confuse our desires with reality. Defeating the scum that are rising to attempt to seize (and consolidate, lock in and not give up) power in country after country is going to be painful and prolonged. It was last time…

With Musk taking over the 'ground game', I think I read that Trump's lot or even some mainstream Republicans are focused on gathering information on polling irregularities, to kick off a series of legal challenges. Outside of a massive Harris victory, that's going to be centre stage and is in essence a challenge to the American democratic system. I don't mythologise liberal/parliamentary democracy and it certainly sits easily with neo-liberalism and mass inequalities. But still, this is a challenge to that system and a challenge based on untruth.

On Radio 4 this morning I heard a discussion comparing Trump's lies to those of Nixon. The core of it was Nixon lied, knew he lied and tried to get away with it, but all the while knew the difference between lies and truth. Trump makes no distinction and is all self interest. An appeal to voters on the basis of aggressive and resentful emotions, not anything checkable. He's certainly a liar, but there's no appeal to anything that might be seen as an objective truth, which is slightly different. And how do you combat that?

 

[belboid]

On Radio 4 this morning I heard a discussion comparing Trump's lies to those of Nixon. The core of it was Nixon lied, knew he lied and tried to get away with it, but all the while knew the difference between lies and truth. Trump makes no distinction and is all self interest. An appeal to voters on the basis of aggressive and resentful emotions, not anything checkable. He's certainly a liar, but there's no appeal to anything that might be seen as an objective truth, which is slightly different. And how do you combat that?

I'm just reading a book of Hunter S Thompson interviews. As you may recall, he really fucking hated Nixon. But, in the run up to '88 he said he'd still vote for Nixon over Bush. And I imagine he'd now be saying he'd still vote Bush if it was just him or Trump.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

With Musk taking over the 'ground game', I think I read that Trump's lot or even some mainstream Republicans are focused on gathering information on polling irregularities, to kick off a series of legal challenges. Outside of a massive Harris victory, that's going to be centre stage and is in essence a challenge to the American democratic system. I don't mythologise liberal/parliamentary democracy and it certainly sits easily with neo-liberalism and mass inequalities. But still, this is a challenge to that system and a challenge based on untruth.

On Radio 4 this morning I heard a discussion comparing Trump's lies to those of Nixon. The core of it was Nixon lied, knew he lied and tried to get away with it, but all the while knew the difference between lies and truth. Trump makes no distinction and is all self interest. An appeal to voters on the basis of aggressive and resentful emotions, not anything checkable. He's certainly a liar, but there's no appeal to anything that might be seen as an objective truth, which is slightly different. And how do you combat that?

Philosophers have a technical term for that: "bullshit"

It's defined quite precisely as something that is said in order to further an argument or aim with no regard for its truth.

 

[petee]

Is the fucker ever going to shut up?

never has, never will. been at it for 35 years.
bush jr was so appalling that he re-politicized me. but it was said that he was a "good ex-president" - he left office, went home, and disappeared.

 

[Wilf]

Philosophers have a technical term for that: "bullshit"

It's defined quite precisely as something that is said in order to further an argument or aim with no regard for its truth.

We seem to have reached a point where 'bullshit' has not so much entered the political sphere, it is the political sphere.

 

[BigMoaner]

. He's certainly a liar, but there's no appeal to anything that might be seen as an objective truth, which is slightly different. And how do you combat that?

Very much a statement for the general spirit of the times.

 

[BigMoaner]

We seem to have reached a point where 'bullshit' has not so much entered the political sphere, it is the political sphere.

It always has been to a greater or lesser extent but this is so much different. Try and untangle it and it becomes almost impossible. Try and envisage a way out and it becomes impossible.

 

[Wilf]

Very much a statement for the general spirit of the times.

With Trump, even the minimal references to policy are mere dog whistles rather than things for the voters to evaluate and compare (Mexico, trans rights etc.). His speeches, particularly over the last couple of weeks could be reduced down to single words and phrases, he doesn't need actual sentences. sick... crazy Nancy... fake... very bad person.

I don't want to see a return to smooth, rational technocratic neo-liberalism, but the move to politics as paranoia seems to be speeding up.

 

[breadandcircuse]

Fuck me, the hypocrisy coming out of Shady on the news now! All love and kindness to people! How does this fucker live with himself?