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Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
In other countries the populist right has generally come about as a new party which is to varying degrees outside the historical mainstream of that country hasn't it. I think what you can see with Trump is the advantages of doing it within one of the established parties. For me I think there's a much bigger risk in the UK of someone genuinely far right coming through as Tory leader than there is of Refuk or whoever gaining power.
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US parties are not structured political entities in the same way as British parties are. Tory MPs will nominate the Leadership candidates, and they are much less radicalised that some of the Grassroot mrmbers. As was seen with: Johnson, Truss and Corbyn; British party leaders who alienate MPs get sacked.

Trump was not a staunch Republican before becoming Candidate and President; Sanders stood in the Democratic Primaries but served in Congress as an independent Socialist, not as a Democrat.
 
Kaka Tim said:
yeah - the initial momentum and poll boost got the dems quite giddy - but polls seemed to have stablised at neck and neck. This is depite Trumps visible deterioation and such appallling crass moments like "thumbs up over the graves of veterens" - and again we are back to "why would anyone vote for the sack of shit?" - tbh none of the reasons offered really satisfactoily explain how he is attracting nearly half of americas voters.
I mean - obviosuly there is widespread disatisfaction and unhappiness with the state of the nation and significent amount of deprivation - but there isnt things like mass unemployment, widespread societal breakdown, hyper inflation etc going down - i.e the kind of things that historically give rise to fascism and similar (and even at their peak in germany the Nazis only ever got 33% of the vote) . In other western countries the populist right provokes enought of a push back to keep them below 30% (and with far more credilbe candidates than Trump - and tbh has there ever been a worse potentailly winning candidate anywhere - ever) - its a proper headscatcher and deeply troubling .
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Nylock offered a good account of some of the factors driving the Trump phenomenon.

Whilst the US isnt experiencing societal breakdown equivalent to the Weimar Republic, I think there is significant social dysfunction, political and regulatory capture, corruption and huge economic inequality, all problems that exist everywhere but in America they are on a different scale to the countries of Western Europe for example. You can go on to youtube and search videos about the drug addiction crisis in Kensington Philadelpha. The footage shows streets full of people addicted to tranquilizers and opiods. They look like zombies. Some have lost limbs. And the authorities just leave them on the streets to die. Then there are 'tent cities' in places like LA and San Fransico - huge encampments of homeless people pitching up make-shift accomodation in the street. I don't think most of these people would be Trump voters - or voters at all for that matter (in fact Trump voters on the whole probably want these streets to be socially 'cleansed') but these are some indicators of the extreme social dislocations experienced in the USA, and fascist demogogues thrive in such conditions.
 
trump getting his deranged ducks in a row as to why tomorrow's debate will be rigged in Harris's favour:

In interviews, fundraising appeals, rallies, and posts on social media, the former president has repeatedly blasted the host network and accused its top talent of being biased against him. He’s even accused the network, without evidence, of providing the questions in advance to the Harris campaign. “ABC is the worst network in terms of fairness... They’re very nasty, and I think a lot of people are going to be watching to see how nasty and how unfair they are.”

“Do you think ABC will give Kamala every question beforehand? We already know her liberal media cronies would do ANYTHING to keep her from getting embarrassed the same way Biden was!” Trump said in a fundraising appeal. “I’m coming into this at a disadvantage — taking on Crooked Kamala AND the Fake News — but with you in my ear, I’m NOT SCARED OF ANYTHING!”
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My Trump loving cousin on Facebook. I’ve tried engaging him in conversation. He really really believes this. He is adamant and unswerving in his assertion that Trump is the only realistic option.


The problem is....they flip flop on the issues. They lie about their voting history.
And now just suddenly closing in on 100 days or so from the elections they come up with economic reports showing that inflation has dropped.
Liars!


We must stand up for our beliefs and values. The current party in power is destroying our nation with its anti-Christian and anti-American agenda. They are controlled by Satan, evident in their support for killing innocent babies in the womb and their relentless attacks on our faith and values. They manipulate the media and control the narrative, just like communist regimes. The recent military parade showcasing our equipment was a disgrace and a betrayal of our nation's security. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have committed treason by handing over billions of dollars in military equipment and surrendering a crucial air base to our enemies. My fellow Christians, we cannot afford to be deceived by the devil's tricks. If you support the Democratic platform, you are not a true Christian. We must stand united and fight for our nation's soul.


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“I’m coming into this at a disadvantage — taking on Crooked Kamala AND the Fake News — but with you in my ear, I’m NOT SCARED OF ANYTHING!”


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Yossarian said:
“I’m coming into this at a disadvantage — taking on Crooked Kamala AND the Fake News — but with you in my ear, I’m NOT SCARED OF ANYTHING!”

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He's going to smuggle supporters with brilliant and erudite answers to all the questions into the debate in his 'touched by god' roomy ear and they'll see him right. That's why he's not scared.

Try and keep up.
 
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NoXion said:
Gotta love how these dipshits insist on posting AI images when talking about things that supposedly happen in real life. They're all but admitting that they can't distinguish between the facts, and whatever lurid tales that get pumped into their lizard brains.
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Well put, they are dimbos
 
Chilli.s said:
Well put, they are dimbos
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Unfortunately it's worse than that. If these people were merely stupid, then they wouldn't be such a threat. Clowns like Marjorie Taylor Greene and the goons they whip up are the culmination of decades of ignorance and reaction cultivated by wealthy scumbags. It's got to the point where significant numbers of people live in reality bubbles where they've been fed with crap for so long that they'll swallow AI-generated slop without fuss. It's going to take a long time to un-fuck the situation, and I do not envy anyone for the task.
 
I'm fairly confident Harris will cook Trump in the debate tomorrow, but how much does it affect people's voting intentions? Here is what one expert says:

When it comes to vote choice, research has generally suggested little impact from watching debates. Debate viewers tend to be among the most politically engaged and thereby likely to have their minds made up well before the debate. For these people, debates serve largely as a spectator sport...

However, research into potential indirect effects of debates — by commanding significant media attention in the days prior to and after their occurrence — have offered stronger evidence of their influence. One such effect involves learning, whereby voters make gains in their understanding of the issues and candidates after the debates. But while more knowledgeable voters tend to learn more from viewing the actual debates, less knowledgeable voters have been shown to narrow this gap in the days following debates due to debate-related content being hard to avoid even among those who are the least politically engaged.
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