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This is Trump's full statement on child care. As I said, a previous quote missed out the bit where he said it would be funded by import tariffs. This one is much clearer:



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eta: that's actually from Analysis: Trump’s incomprehensible child care comments appear to have broken a dam

which is quite a good piece saying that media in the US is sanitizing Trump's comments by describing them and that they should really be quoting what he actually says.
George Conway has done a good job here. It needs to be used by the Dems all over the media, instead of them "interpreting" his ramblings, and thereby aiding the fucker. The bit at the end is the chef's kiss :).

 
Even the odious Dick Cheney has come out in support of Harris. A sign hopefully that even those who're only a handful of steps up the (a)moral ladder from trump realise the consequences of another trump administration.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney said Friday that he will vote for Democrat Kamala Harris over fellow Republican Donald Trump in the November election, warning that the former president “can never be trusted with power again.”
“In our nation’s 248-year history, there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump,” Cheney said in a statement. “He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him. He can never be trusted with power again.”

 
Even the odious Dick Cheney has come out in support of Harris. A sign hopefully that even those who're only a handful of steps up the (a)moral ladder from trump realise the consequences of another trump administration.



Given the way Trump and the MAGATS have treated Liz Cheney, it's no surprise that her dad is publicly opposing Trump. As with the chips of the McCain block, it is personal
 
Glenn breaks down Judge Merchan's decision to delay sentencing on the orange pos. It makes sense, but it does look as if the creature has got away with his shit again. I want to see the fucker suffer.

 
Given the way Trump and the MAGATS have treated Liz Cheney, it's no surprise that her dad is publicly opposing Trump. As with the chips of the McCain block, it is personal

You've likely phrased it correctly, the loathsome Cheney senior seeing it first and foremost as an opportunity to point score. All about him. But, if it makes other MAGAs pause for thought, then it's a positive. Liz Cheney (the good Cheney) has been very vocal about her disgust with trump for a long time so her endorsement of Harris is coming from a committed, informed place, unlike his. No pats on the back for bitter and twisted him.

In her remarks Friday, (Liz) Cheney unleashed a torrent of criticism against the Republican presidential ticket, calling Trump “a depraved human being” and labeling him and his running mate, Ohio Sen. JD Vance, “misogynistic pigs.”

Very restrained, I thought, all things considered... although I don't care for the depraved, misogynistic trump/vance being likened to animals. Pigs are lovely. Do better.
 
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How far back does this obsession with embryos go ?
I suppose at least no further than a basic understanding of the biology ...
Imagine that being your whole life's obsession ...
I wonder if there's any data of action relating to embryos of particular ethnicities..

As for the Abrahamic tradition and actual reverence for life, they're clearly on shaky ground...

I've seen no evidence in the OT that the Abrahamic tradition cares the least bit about reverence for life. Half the OT is talking about God point this way or other and telling the people to go kill all the men, women, children, and oxen. Then, there's the first born of Egypt. Not exactly pro-life there either. And, I haven't even gotten to the way this god's followers have acted over these last few thousand years.
 






If he sells his shares, what could happen?


The thing is though it's basically free money for him isn't it. It's not like he's invested billions in it he stands to lose. If he can sell for a billion say that might be a massive nominal loss compared to what they were supposedly worth a few months ago but it's a massive profit in terms of actual realised $$$.
 
That’s what I was wondering. He’s so desperate for money and never sees the consequences of his actions.
He's based much of his career on pauperising small to medium-scale investors and contractors, whilst letting the banks who keep bailing him out deal with the larger ones via his various rescue/refinancing deals.

Trump sees the consequences very well but simply doesn't care about them - and if it wasn't blindingly obvious before, he admitted as much in cross examination at his business fraud trial.
 
now, and relatively, but ...


and further up that page


I was using the term relatively to distinguish her and her Harris endorsement motivations from her father's.

The bar is so grimly low in terms of what currently constitutes 'good'. I'm happy to go with the now of her, that she's speaking out against trump.
 
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You've likely phrased it correctly, the loathsome Cheney senior seeing it first and foremost as an opportunity to point score. All about him. But, if it makes other MAGAs pause for thought, then it's a positive.
Do the electorate at large remember Cheney? He may have been the brain inside Dubya, and one of the chief architects of the Iraq war, but was he even that famous when he left office, sixteen years ago?
 
Do the electorate at large remember Cheney? He may have been the brain inside Dubya, and one of the chief architects of the Iraq war, but was he even that famous when he left office, sixteen years ago?
I spoke to a high school teacher in 2013 when visiting friends in Florida who didn’t know who he was
 
For anyone interested in watching or recording the debate it is on -

Live on Channel 4 from 1:30 – 4am on Wednesday 11th September

Channel 4 is to be the only UK broadcaster to air live coverage of the first US Presidential debate between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris, in partnership with ABC.

Tump and Harris go head-to-head for the first time as the battle to become President reaches a pivotal point. With polls too close to call, Trump and Harris will debate the key issues that could decide who wins the most consequential election in decades.

Matt Frei hosts this live programme which will show the debate in Philadelphia in full, and gauge reaction from Democrats and Republicans.

Louisa Compton, Head of News and Current Affairs and Specialist Factual and Sport at Channel 4 said: “The 2024 US election is already proving to be one of the most divisive and pivotal elections in recent history and we are delighted that the Channel 4 audience has the opportunity to watch the crucial Presidential debate live and in full. This deal with ABC demonstrates, yet again, our commitment to delivering unparalleled coverage of global events.”

ENDS
 
Still neck and neck in national polls and swing states. Many Americans still unsure if pedophilia, rape and fascism are bad.

yeah - the initial momentum and poll boost got the dems quite giddy - but polls seemed to have stablised at neck and neck. This is depite Trumps visible deterioation and such appallling crass moments like "thumbs up over the graves of veterens" - and again we are back to "why would anyone vote for the sack of shit?" - tbh none of the reasons offered really satisfactoily explain how he is attracting nearly half of americas voters.
I mean - obviosuly there is widespread disatisfaction and unhappiness with the state of the nation and significent amount of deprivation - but there isnt things like mass unemployment, widespread societal breakdown, hyper inflation etc going down - i.e the kind of things that historically give rise to fascism and similar (and even at their peak in germany the Nazis only ever got 33% of the vote) . In other western countries the populist right provokes enought of a push back to keep them below 30% (and with far more credilbe candidates than Trump - and tbh has there ever been a worse potentailly winning candidate anywhere - ever) - its a proper headscatcher and deeply troubling .
 
yeah - the initial momentum and poll boost got the dems quite giddy - but polls seemed to have stablised at neck and neck. This is depite Trumps visible deterioation and such appallling crass moments like "thumbs up over the graves of veterens" - and again we are back to "why would anyone vote for the sack of shit?" - tbh none of the reasons offered really satisfactoily explain how he is attracting nearly half of americas voters.
I mean - obviosuly there is widespread disatisfaction and unhappiness with the state of the nation and significent amount of deprivation - but there isnt things like mass unemployment, widespread societal breakdown, hyper inflation etc going down - i.e the kind of things that historically give rise to fascism and similar (and even at their peak in germany the Nazis only ever got 33% of the vote) . In other western countries the populist right provokes enought of a push back to keep them below 30% (and with far more credilbe candidates than Trump - and tbh has there ever been a worse potentailly winning candidate anywhere - ever) - its a proper headscatcher and deeply troubling .

Whenever I ask my neighbors why they support Trump they always say "yes, I know he's an asshole, but the economy was better." It's almost the exact same words every time. I think the pervasiveness of right-wing propaganda channels like Newsmax and Fox really give the GOP an edge.
 
Whenever I ask my neighbors why they support Trump they always say "yes, I know he's an asshole, but the economy was better." It's almost the exact same words every time. I think the pervasiveness of right-wing propaganda channels like Newsmax and Fox really give the GOP an edge.
I think it's and excuse, something they can say that sounds reasonable.
 
In other western countries the populist right provokes enought of a push back to keep them below 30% (and with far more credilbe candidates than Trump - and tbh has there ever been a worse potentailly winning candidate anywhere - ever) - its a proper headscatcher and deeply troubling .

In other countries the populist right has generally come about as a new party which is to varying degrees outside the historical mainstream of that country hasn't it. I think what you can see with Trump is the advantages of doing it within one of the established parties. For me I think there's a much bigger risk in the UK of someone genuinely far right coming through as Tory leader than there is of Refuk or whoever gaining power.
 
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