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Ring side seat at the Circus at the end of the world, yo.

It does feel that way. With climate change continuing unabated, this election could be one of the major milestones for the future. With Trump elected, we'll get "drill baby drill" and nothing even acknowledging climate change. I feel like I should pull up a chair and toast some marshmallows and watch the show unfold.
 
I can’t read the Independent any more because I refuse to let them turn on advertising cookies and I’m not paying either.
I don't get any advertising - possibly because I've got Cookie Autodelete and Adblocker Ultimate. They're still very annoying because of the clickbaity headlines and the videos they suggest are in the article but in fact aren't.
 
It's also on Daily Beast and I should really have given the archive link for that but I was doing something else at the time :)
 
I often don’t try, or start trying and then back off.
Chemtrails: but there are far easier ways to poison us.
Musk is going to shut off the sun : why, though?
To kill us: but then who’s going to mow his lawn?
Wouldn't need to mow it as it would also be dead. :(
 
I don’t think they’re desperate. I think they’re just following the road ahead, taking the next obvious step. As each parcel of extremity gets poured out and only gets a small amount of traction outside their weird bubble, we’re not seeing how normalised this shit is for them. None of them is surprised or doubtful that people from overseas are “eating our pets”.

Desperate implies that there’s some sort of deliberate machination at play when they come up with these absurd stories.


Like that weird story about Wayfair taking orders for children and shipping them out in wardrobes. Remember that? I had to explain to someone that it wasn’t happening because she was genuinely frightened and outraged by it. It was pointless explaining the impossibility of it (where do these children come from, how come no one is reporting their children missing, why are they being so complicated, what happens to the children in transit…). The thing that helped in the end was demonstrating the algorithm to her: we both looked up the same thing, something she chose, and my phone took me to debunking sites and hers took her to doubling down stuff.

It’s called doubling down for a reason: there’s a logarithmic scale, an exponential increase of the bullshit as you go along the story. It’s bizarre to us but it’s the next step that gets them into the necessary state of froth and fury.

It’s the same as needing a bigger more extreme hit of porn or violence when you get accustomed to it.
I think this is at the heart of it - mutiple media sources - especaily social media - has allowed what are essentailly "alternative realities" to flourish unchecked. So these right wing/conspiracy narratives of the country going to hell in a handcart due to myriad "liberal" evils (woke, immigrants, the deep state, gayness, islam, jews, NWO, shadowy "elities" etc etc) are so widespread and have developed such deep roots that they become self sustaining, are impervious to more reality based narratvies with the reuslt people can effecitvely live in a world essentailly based on falsehood. social distress an increasinly atomised and alienated society provides fertile ground for it to fluorish.
What is shocking is the in the USA it has got to the point where a massive % of the voting population buy into it.
In the Uk we saw some of this with the recent racist riosts/pogroms.
And - as well a this being a function of how the social media algotrithms work - its also being deliberatey fed by state actors (as an aside - I presume that western spooks are doing exact the same thing in Russia and IRan etc)
Its deeply disturbing and I think people are only slowly waking up to the growing danger this represents.
 
still relevant

In 1936, American Senator Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip enters the presidential election campaign on a populist platform, promising to restore the country to prosperity and greatness, and promising each citizen $5,000 per year. Portraying himself as a champion of "the forgotten man" and "traditional" American values,


One of the "promises" made when Menie was in planning was "Wealth, wealth, wealth for every citizen in every community" ie in Aberdeen/Aberdeenshire"

I was able to trace that one right back to a Trump office address.
 
So who decides who wins this debate? Is it subjective media opinion in the aftermath or is it determined by post-debate polls?
 
I can’t read the Independent any more because I refuse to let them turn on advertising cookies and I’m not paying either.
I just use brave as the browser on my phone as it has built in ad blocking, but you strike me as the iPhone type and don't know if it is an option on apple.
 
Each side declares victory. Probably nothing moves but it can happen, as per Biden last time, or Nixon v Kennedy, so there's enough of a possibility to keep people interested.
of course, those listening on the radio thought Nixon won the debate. Not sure it's a great comparison. Though it's true this debate will have far more interest in it due to the disaster of the last one.
 
I think Democrats may have set expectations too high, with talk of how Kamala Harris the prosecutor is going to make mincemeat of Donald Trump the rambling old felon - with the mics muted while the other person is speaking, we might just see both candidates waffling for a couple of minutes each on topics loosely connected to whatever questions they're asked, probably won't shift the race too much in either direction unless Trump totally Bidens out
 
I think Democrats may have set expectations too high, with talk of how Kamala Harris the prosecutor is going to make mincemeat of Donald Trump the rambling old felon - with the mics muted while the other person is speaking, we might just see both candidates waffling for a couple of minutes each on topics loosely connected to whatever questions they're asked, probably won't shift the race too much in either direction unless Trump totally Bidens out

^ I'm not sure that's true. Most of what I've been reading over the past week is acknowledgement on the part of Harris-supporters that it's ultimately going to be a hot, unsatisfying mess of nothingness. No winners here.

And many seem to share the opinion that it's sickening that Harris has to engage with trump in this way, as if he's her peer, as if he, despite everything, deserves her time and consideration.
 
I want to see the debate but I'm not staying up to see it live.

Does anyone think it will be available in full online tomorrow evening?
 
I want to see the debate but I'm not staying up to see it live.

Does anyone think it will be available in full online tomorrow evening?
I'm not staying up either. Chances are the whole thing will be available on ABC/C4's youtube channels within a matter of hours of it going live. The likes of MSNBC, CNN and possibly FOX will each have a highlights reel with accompanying hyperventilating from panels of various talking heads...
 
I'd actually quite like to watch the first 10 minutes or so but will probably make do tomorrow with edited highlights (lowlights?)
 
Some in Guangdong and neighbouring provinces but not in most of the country and not served in Chinese restaurants abroad. Big country.
Switerland is a small countryand only 3% eat chihuahua chipolatas.

Europe

Consuming dog meat is generally taboo in Europe; however, as of 2014, around 3% of people in Switzerland (particularly in rural areas) eat dog meat in the form of jerky or traditional sausages.

What Countries Eat Dogs in 2024?
 
Switerland is a small countryand only 3% eat chihuahua chipolatas.

Europe

Consuming dog meat is generally taboo in Europe; however, as of 2014, around 3% of people in Switzerland (particularly in rural areas) eat dog meat in the form of jerky or traditional sausages.

What Countries Eat Dogs in 2024?
That's dogs. Plenty of Chinese people eat dogs (again, depends what part of the country though). Dogs are not cats. One goes woof and chases sticks, the other goes miaow and chases mice. Other differences are available
 
I think (maybe know) that KH has been coached hard behind the scenes, she’s probably been through a dozen mock debates and been hit hard with the hypotheticals to get her ready. I reckon one reason she’s not been interviewed or done a Town Hall is to keep her powder dry and pique interest, get people hyped up (she /her team may have fears and faults that need to be addressed).

Instead they’re doing a lot of meet & greets, gladhanding, and it’s really noticeable that people (especially women and young girls) are getting dewy eyed and shaky when they see her. Really involved, avid-fan stuff. That builds her base in a way that’s comparable to Trump’s cult of personality.

Trump’s prep is the same as what they did in advance of the Biden debate: skewer it before it happens, an advance attack. Plenty plenty plenty editorials and talking heads and Truth Socail and Telegram and all the other RW channels have been working hard for time, setting it up as rigged, fixed, unfair, sabotaged, organised preparation for stealing the election etc.

They plan for it to be the same as with the NABJ: Democrats saw that as a total failure for Trump while his constituency interpreted it as a strong win for a man under duress.

The debate itself is largely irrelevant. There will of course be humming and hurring over their presentation and the policies they wheel out, lots of analysis during and afterwards. The serious news outlets will be busy for sure, and it will contribute to the outcome. But it’s their reactions onstage that will matter, the way they handle what the other does, and the way it’s perceived, reported, digested and shared afterwards. That’s where it will be decided.

Don’t be fooled by what we’re seeing over here. It’s far darker and more complex over there.
 
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