The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Rules are flexible as are doctors opinions. Stick or twist , either way its damage limitation or they take the Guardian's advice and scrap any future Presidential debates. The VP is a liability as well.
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PursuedByBears
Go stick your head in a pig
That's just as silly
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I'd have thought they'd be queuing-up to stand against Trump. It's a fast track to the presidency. All they have to do is show up and not be a complete cunt.
Yep. Problem is, it obviously can't be Kamala because she is crap. But not picking Kamala will look like an insult against racial minorities and women, who are the only people likely to vote for the Democrats. So I think they are totally screwed.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Nah, people like Trump. They like him not for any redeeming qualities he has, but because the people persecuting him are such wankers. It will take a lot to beat him now, quite possibly a fraud.
Hiya mate. I've been to Venice, I have. Reality there was much too nice to bother with the internet.
Wow.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
If they were going to go for Harris, imo a wise thing to do would have been to have her step up maybe a year out, allowing Biden a dignified excuse to step aside and giving her some time (but not too much) to demonstrate presidentiality.
I can't stand her. A careerist who is prepared to send people to jail for long stretches just to further her interests. But she can't be that bad, surely. Female, black and relatively young. I think Trump would have trouble dealing with that combination in anyone half-competent.
"High energy" my ass. They practically had to carry him onto the stage. He was pretty much dead then, last night was just rigor mortis setting in.
I haven't met a single American who considers Kamala anything but an over-promoted, repellent horror. We're not stupid, after all. I reckon the only plausible replacement is the dreaded 3G: Governor Gavin Gruesome.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Why, specifically? It can't be because she is a grasping careerist. They all are.
If you mean "pumped full of amphetamine" they already tried that.
I think people find her personally repellent, to a degree that exceeds even the pitiable standards of American politicians. No doubt racism and sexism play their role, but she really IS personally repellent, so it's hard to argue.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
But that reflects the fact that she was a relative unknown at the time as much as anything. Looking at that list, I don't recognise the other two in the bottom three at all - or number 3, for that matter.
She doesn't have that problem now.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
Buttigieg would seem the most likely, they can't realistically replace him with another person in their 70s (Warren) 80s (Sanders, also won't get the centrist vote) and the rest aren't even close. Harris is deeply unpopular.
A lot of US lefties who've been warning Biden won't cut it must be very annoyed rn.
A lot of US lefties who've been warning Biden won't cut it must be very annoyed rn.
Yossarian
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She'd been campaigning for almost a year at that point and had taken part in five debates - as a US senator from the country's most populous state, I think she had a higher profile than candidates including Buttigieg, who was mayor of South Bend, Indiana at the time
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Don't necessarily see the problem with replacing him with another older person. It's not his age that's the problem per se. It's the fact that, to put it politely, he's not as sharp as he used to be.
You could say that. I got banned from several threads on here for bringing it up.
Buttigieg as a lot of powerful backers and appeals to a specific constituency, but he wouldn't stand a chance against Trump. It's Newsom or no-one.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Fair enough. tbh that's why she probably needed to be given a few months as president - to demonstrate something or other about herself. Probably too late for that now.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
The Dems have been banging a drum that Biden isn't incapable the entire way through the election cycle, only to be tripped up at the first major debate. They can't realistically put another elderly type in and expect to avoid the same accusations, this time with the additional problem that rebuttals are easily dismissed as "more lies".
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
You didn't get banned for bringing up that Biden wasn't capable. I said the same thing. You got banned for zooming off into lala conspiracy land.
I think it was both of them tbf.
Seriously though, there were loads of people on here insisting that Biden was perfectly fine. People hate Trump so much that it clouds their judgments.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Ditto with Trump, who is becoming more incoherent by the day.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
I don't think the hatred towards Trump particularly pushed people to be confident in Biden – Urban isn't ride or die for the Democrats, on the whole. Mostly people have seen him as the only available option given the balance of forces.
Personally I think, and thought at the time, he was a mistake to keep on and they should have been bolder in putting someone else up, not because of his age/capability but because his administration underperformed. Fact is he's up against a very marmite candidate with endless weaknesses to attack but a vigorous (rhetorical) platform for action, and the Democrats' standard model imperialism/neoliberalism was thin gruel. Same problem in fact that every centrist government has been having. A younger more go-getting face should have been an obvious strategy to offset that problem.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
when did you become an american?
Well the real problem is that the establishment of both parties agree on everything substantial, because they are sponsored by the same interests. Hence their horror when someone like Trump appears. It's not so much that they fear any of his policies, but they know he isn't under their control, and they can't handle that kind of threat.
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