Donald Trump - MAGAtwat news and discussion

[chandlerp]

Nobody will listen to the content of the supposed answers from Trump, all they will see is the very low energy of Biden and Trump's nonsensical thundering face-anus and think, "ooh, look how powerful he is!"

 

[krtek a houby]

Nobody will listen to the content of the supposed answers from Trump, all they will see is the very low energy of Biden and Trump's nonsensical thundering face-anus and think, "ooh, look how powerful he is!"

Aye.

As thundering face-anuses go, he really is the shit.

 

[chandlerp]

Although anyone who was undecided before this on whether or not to vote for the old, possibly a bit useless old man surrounded by decent people, or the man who has promised to literally destroy democracy and become a dictator, really does need shooting in the face.

 

[Elpenor]

So who are they urgently calling to take Biden’s place?

 

[chandlerp]

I'd call Buttigieg (sp?) but the USA is unlikely to elect a gay man.

 

[pbsmooth]

certainly not a gay man with 'butt' in his name.

it's over for Biden. they need someone else but presumably far too late and would be easy for Reps to attack a new person. oh well, Trump it is.

 

[chandlerp]

If it was too late there wouldn't be a convention in August to choose the nominee.

 

[two sheds]

I'd call Buttigieg (sp?) but the USA is unlikely to elect a gay man.

had the same thought(s) this morning after hearing that he took apart a republican twat recently

 

[chandlerp]

He regularly appears on right-wing news channels and destroys them. I have no idea why they keep inviting him back. He's fantastic.

 

[Yossarian]

I think Buttigieg could be a good choice and it would definitely be a big contrast to see Trump debating a 42-year-old - for the most part, I think people too homophobic to vote for a gay man wouldn't be voting Democratic in the first place, and any votes that were lost could be offset by greater turnout if the Democrats have a candidate people are more enthusiastic about

 

[Yossarian]

I don't think the name would be too much of an issue - the middle name "Hussein" didn't stop Obama being elected, and Trump would just demonstrate even more that he's a shitty old bigot if he insisted on mispronouncing it with a "Butt" sound

 

[two sheds]

I think Buttigieg could be a good choice and it would definitely be a big contrast to see Trump debating a 42-year-old - for the most part, I think people too homophobic to vote for a gay man wouldn't be voting Democratic in the first place, and any votes that were lost could be offset by greater turnout if the Democrats have a candidate people are more enthusiastic about

and a good number of fundy trumpy christian types would explode

 

[PursuedByBears]

I don't think the name would be too much of an issue - the middle name "Hussein" didn't stop Obama being elected, and Trump would just demonstrate even more that he's a shitty old bigot if he insisted on mispronouncing it with a "Butt" sound

How is it pronounced then?

 

[Silas Loom]

All Americans must have some gay friends or relatives or colleagues. I can’t believe that overt homophobia would work anymore as a campaign strategy.

 

[Yossarian]

How is it pronounced then?

"Boot-edge-edge"

 

[chandlerp]

All Americans must have some gay friends or relatives or colleagues. I can’t believe that overt homophobia would work anymore as a campaign strategy.

I admire your faith

 

[The39thStep]

Bernie is deemed too "radical" by the upper tiers of the Dems. Same lack of vision is applied by them to the "squad" - any hint of progressive ideology seems to be regarded as off putting to the voters.

Such a missed opportunity.

Bidens alleged 'radicalism' isn't the reason that there has been suggestion that they might want to look for an alternative candidate. Personally I think they will stick with Biden unless he himself decided its too much now.

Under current Democratic Party rules, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to replace Biden as the party’s nominee without his cooperation or without the party officials being willing to rewrite its rules at the August national convention.

The president won the overwhelming majority of Democratic delegates during the state-by-state primary process. And party rules state that, “Delegates elected to the national convention pledged to a presidential candidate shall in all good conscience reflect the sentiments of those who elected them.”

Sorry krtek a houby I misread your Bernie as Biden .

 

[Silas Loom]

I admire your faith

I’m thinking of swing voters, not the irredeemable guns and bibles lot.

 

[planetgeli]

Well you can definitely add Biden's refusal to stand aside as a contributory factor to the election of Trump in November.

 

[chandlerp]

Rebecca Solnick in ‘The Guardian’ pretty much nails it:

”We didn’t need this debate. Because 2024 is not like previous election years, and the reasons it’s not are both that each candidate has had plenty of time to show us who they are and because one of them is a criminal seeking to destroy democracy and human rights along with the climate, the economy and international alliances. If you are too young to remember 2017-2021, this would not help you figure that out.”

 

[planetgeli]

Rebecca Solnick in ‘The Guardian’ pretty much nails it:

”We didn’t need this debate. Because 2024 is not like previous election years, and the reasons it’s not are both that each candidate has had plenty of time to show us who they are and because one of them is a criminal seeking to destroy democracy and human rights along with the climate, the economy and international alliances. If you are too young to remember 2017-2021, this would not help you figure that out.”

David Smith summed things up better.

The first US presidential debate in Atlanta on Thursday was the night that Democrats went from “Don’t panic!” to “OK, time to panic!” After months of preparation and expectation, they got to the altar and suddenly realised they were marrying the wrong man.

In 90 miserable minutes, Joe Biden achieved two things that had seemed impossible. He lived down to expectations that were already rock bottom. And he managed to make Donald Trump sound almost coherent. Trump did not win the debate but Biden certainly lost it.

Democrats had been lulled into a false sense of security by Biden’s high energy performance at the State of the Union address. They expected Superman again. Instead they got Clark Kent in his dotage.

 

[Spymaster]

I'd call Buttigieg (sp?) but the USA is unlikely to elect a gay man.

At the moment Americans have a choice between a racist sex-case and a genuinely senile old fart. If it stays like this the sex-case is going to win.

Buttigieg can't make things any worse for the Dems.

 

[Rimbaud]

certainly not a gay man with 'butt' in his name.

it's over for Biden. they need someone else but presumably far too late and would be easy for Reps to attack a new person. oh well, Trump it is.

I don't know what the rules are exactly but there is still basically 6 months. That is ample time.

Surely it is possible to change candidate?

 

[planetgeli]

I don't know what the rules are exactly but there is still basically 6 months. That is ample time.

Surely it is possible to change candidate?

It is not easy, there are rules. And the last time it was done was 1972 (Thomas Eagleton, VP candidate) and it took the publication of confidential papers on his mental health treatment.

 

[Rimbaud]

It is not easy, there are rules. And the last time it was done was 1972 (Thomas Eagleton, VP candidate) and it took the publication of confidential papers on his mental health treatment.

What if Biden chooses to resign? He can't be forced to stand against his will surely?

 

[Silas Loom]

Oh, if Biden accepts that his time is up, everything is fine.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It is not easy, there are rules. And the last time it was done was 1972 (Thomas Eagleton, VP candidate) and it took the publication of confidential papers on his mental health treatment.

On the radio, they were reporting that senior Democrats are right now flicking through the rulebook, which basically nobody has ever read. Realistically, they're not going to publicly contest Biden as the candidate. It's a case of persuading him to stand down. Sounds like this is now very likely to happen.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

What if Biden chooses to resign? He can't be forced to stand against his will surely?

He doesn't have to resign. He can just step aside as the candidate and retire after the election. Nobody is forced to stand for the election.

I guess the big question for the Dems is 'who replaces him?'

 

[The39thStep]

Rebecca Solnick in ‘The Guardian’ pretty much nails it:

”We didn’t need this debate. Because 2024 is not like previous election years, and the reasons it’s not are both that each candidate has had plenty of time to show us who they are and because one of them is a criminal seeking to destroy democracy and human rights along with the climate, the economy and international alliances. If you are too young to remember 2017-2021, this would not help you figure that out.”

Certainly nails the Guardian's wishful thinking whilst it fumbles about for its post Biden position

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Listening to this, it highlights the US's political culture of deference towards its leaders. It appears people are scared of telling Biden to go. Compare and contrast with the queue of loyal ministers lining up to tell Thatcher to do one.