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Does class still matter?

"Class still matters"


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I didn’t do uni either but was lucky enough to get a skill from an apprenticeship. Not that you can be ‘more’ working class. You can be more oppressed though.

Very interesting, but I was just answering your question about the acronym.
 
Yeah it’s funny, but, I find myself in the position where all I do is lash out now. Which is about as useful nowadays as having a decent argument. We’re all going down the hole.
 
I didn’t do uni either but was lucky enough to get a skill from an apprenticeship. Not that you can be ‘more’ working class. You can be more oppressed though.
I think you can actually, or at least more proletarianised, it centres around the extent to which your work activities are directed and dominated by capital. A plumber has more control over the Labour process than a packer on a production line for example.
 
I think you can actually, or at least more proletarianised, it centres around the extent to which your work activities are directed and dominated by capital. A plumber has more control over the Labour process than a packer on a production line for example.

Capital doesn't come into it for most people IMHO.

Reasonable hours, feeling of worth (not financial), decent pay (everyone want more obv), work colleagues you can get on with. These are the kind of things that impact your ability to enjoy work.
 
Continuation of the species started off by you being able to smash my head in, animals still do it that way. Evolution allowed us to develop and you learned how to produce currency. Being clever you took my share and I was pleased to work for you. I had nothing to hand down, you did, my kids worked for yours. That primitive urge has not been bred out of us. Even millionaires want more.
Class was just an add on ensuring that I cannot move in your circles if I won the lottery. Class would disappear if the population dropped low enough to make my skills more important than your position. (Don't hold your breath.) It happened during the plague but we couldn't keep our trouser flaps buttoned up.

Parklife.
 
It's strange how people respect those that mislead (lie to us deliberately). Who tell us the future is golden but things seem to only get worse. Then we carry on as always. You'd almost think they have us dancing to their tune and manipulate us by pretending there is democracy. That for me is an element of why class matters. They run roughshod over us and have the fig-leaf of 'democracy'. The biggest lie in all this is that this is all there is or all we can be.
 
What does the PF mean?

It's a Lustbatherism. I don't exclusively eat doorstop sarnies, sport impressive sidies, don't have hands tougher than a rhino's hide or a weather-beaten but proud face covered in brick dust (although it is akin to a bag of spanners), nor do I drink bitter. I get it, it's fucking annoying. There's always going to be a part of me that curls my lip when I come across it, but stop flailing about with the working class shite. It's just as cringe as the 'poshos' you're railing against, except the people you're cunting off aren't like that.
 
It's a Lustbatherism. I don't exclusively eat doorstop sarnies, sport impressive sidies, don't have hands tougher than a rhino's hide or a weather-beaten but proud face covered in brick dust (although it is akin to a bag of spanners), nor do I drink bitter. I get it, it's fucking annoying. There's always going to be a part of me that curls my lip when I come across it, but stop flailing about with the working class shite. It's just as cringe as the 'poshos' you're railing against, except the people you're cunting off aren't like that.

Yeah. Everyone I work with would be bamboozled by U75 along with everyone I grew up with. I’ve tried, over the years, to fit in but it’s just fake bollocks isn’t it? I’m not pretending anything mate.
 
Yeah. Everyone I work with would be bamboozled by U75 along with everyone I grew up with. I’ve tried, over the years, to fit in but it’s just fake bollocks isn’t it? I’m not pretending anything mate.
I'm bamboozled by your commas and your borderline Leonard Cohen thing. Get a grip, like a bird on a wire.
 
Yeah. Everyone I work with would be bamboozled by U75 along with everyone I grew up with. I’ve tried, over the years, to fit in but it’s just fake bollocks isn’t it? I’m not pretending anything mate.

It's not about pretending necessarily, it's about parading some narrow identity in reaction to what you think is middle class. To be frank, I'm alienated by those antics as I don't fit in. Can't be arsed with the privately-educated going fuck this, fuck that like ersatz lumpens, and I can't be arsed with the shit you come out with.
 
It's not about pretending necessarily, it's about parading some narrow identity in reaction to what you think is middle class. To be frank, I'm alienated by those antics as I don't fit in. Can't be arsed with the privately-educated going fuck this, fuck that like ersatz lumpens, and I can't be arsed with the shit you come out with.

That’s a shame, it’s the disconnect produced by message boards that leads to that. Not that there isn’t people who can’t be arsed with what I come out with generally, but it happens in a less constrained arena.
 
And the wc never get mentioned amongst those that it’d make no sense.
Sorry mate, you’ve been up the arse of left intelligentsia for that long that you’ve lost perspective.
 
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