RevolutionSound
Well-Known Member
The Toy Maker and The Maestro are really terrible ideas
Yeah but you only hate it because it's shit.I hate it.
Yeah but you only hate it because it's shit.
He didn’t say that.I've scrolled ahead and instantly dislike him saying he's not The Doctor.
I liked that."Adopted, like you..." No.
He didn’t say that. He said it was sort of like Cantonese. It was a perfectly reasonable speculative history for humans at that point in their development. Why not? It seems a strange thing to hate."Humans speak only one language now, Cantonese..."
I hate it.
It's like they gave a camera and a load of money to a few 8 year olds.It really is. It's one of the worst things I've ever seen that wasn't just a reality show. It was paid for, scripted, rehearsed and edited. They did all that to get... this.
He didn’t say that.
I liked that.
He didn’t say that. He said it was sort of like Cantonese. It was a perfectly reasonable speculative history for humans at that point in their development. Why not? It seems a strange thing to hate.
There’s plenty I can understand you not taking to. But these are weird quibbles.
At least he knows how Capaldi must have felt..Ncuti had such potential and he's been stuck with this.
The Doctor was adopted. Unless you’re pretending Jodie Whitaker’s Doctor didn’t exist.He wasn't adopted. Well, the Doctor wasn't adopted. Who knows, since we're in season one again.
That’s not how I remember the dialogue. And I’ve watched it twice. But I’ll check it and let you know. At some point.He did say he wasn't the doctor. He literally said that - I'm not the doctor, maybe a doctor, maybe (various other things).
He didn’t. He said it was similar to Cantonese.And he did say that humans only speak one language, Cantonese.
We know that many periods in the future of humans are very dystopian. And that one was already pretty dystopian, with baby farms.Humans ever speaking only one language is a dystopian concept that implies colonisation and enforced conformation.
Not canon, you mean?Unless you’re pretending Jodie Whitaker’s Doctor didn’t exist.
I didn't watch most of it so for me it actually doesn't.The Doctor was adopted. Unless you’re pretending Jodie Whitaker’s Doctor didn’t exist.
The Doctor was adopted. Unless you’re pretending Jodie Whitaker’s Doctor didn’t exist.
It’s not me who means something. I’m just pointing out that a pretty big part of 13’s story is that she was adopted. A great deal is made of it, and she takes quite a while to process it.Not canon, you mean?
Looking like it's the
Pantheon of Discord, introduced (by RTD) 15 years ago.
Doctor Who Introduced New Villains The Pantheon Years Ago
Maestro and their kind have history on Doctor Who.www.denofgeek.com
Is it Canoneese?
He did say he wasn't the doctor. He literally said that - I'm not the doctor, maybe a doctor, maybe (various other things).
I think I mentioned elsewhere that when he first said adopted I thought that meant the Nobles. Kind of corny but I'd go with that.It’s not me who means something. I’m just pointing out that a pretty big part of 13’s story is that she was adopted. A great deal is made of it, and she takes quite a while to process it.
The phone, the translation etc was a rehash of The End of the World but worse. Had something interesting to say about it all and the Doctor brought some humour to it.
He said he considers himself adopted by the Time Lords and that he considers himself one (by adoption), and that he’s “the last of the Time Lords”.The Doctor wasn't adopted.
Yes it does. And bad things are indeed happening at this point in time. Very bad things. Not only do we have baby farms, but they’re abandoned to their fate when it’s decided they aren’t profitable. That’s what the episode was about. That’s one of the things I was onboard with.That's not a throwaway comment - it implies extremely bad things
Yes it does. And bad things are indeed happening at this point in time. Very bad things. Not only do we have baby farms, but they’re abandoned to their fate when it’s decided they aren’t profitable. That’s what the episode was about. That’s one of the things I was onboard with.
(See above for the things I wasn’t onboard with!).
That's the sad part. I think he's a good actor, and would do the part justice, if the part wasn't utter shite.Ncuti seems like such a good Doctor in principle.
That’s absolutely fine. You don’t have to like it. I’m not trying to persuade you to like it.I'm sorry, but the first episode was so unwatchable that I don't think I can continue.
That’s absolutely fine. You don’t have to like it. I’m not trying to persuade you to like it.
My point was simply that the things you picked up on were either wrong, established by previous showrunners, or the point of the episode - not all was well with humanity at that point. (Again something that RTD visited with 9 and 10 several times).
There’s actually a lot I didn’t like, and have explained already in the thread. So I don’t blame you for not liking stuff about it. I’m not entirely sold either.