Do we support Insulate Britain?

[maomao]

the argument remains the same. so your solution entails a) designing renewable plants; b) getting planning permission; c) building them; d) attracting the attention of the chinese government; d) the chinese evaluating said plants; e) them going through stages a-c in a chinese context. and all this, we're told, before 2030. i suspect you'll agree that it's not really much of a plan. anyway, it's not just china, but china as the biggest current emitter (The World’s Top 10 Carbon Dioxide Emitters) does have rather a large part to play

Why the fuss over China's emissions particularly. It's still the most populous country in the world, it's always going to be the biggest emitter. And while I'm no fan of Xi, at least the country doesn't have the slavish devotion to markets that makes planned and coordinated action almost impossible in the west.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Great slogan that.

No it's not.

Surely if the revolution isn't convenient for people, if it isn't there for people, providing for them then people won't get behind it and it will fail.

This is very basic stuff. Kropotkin wrote about it in The Conquest of Bread.

It's also ridiculous to compare what Insulate Britain are doing to a revolution if you ask me and they are definitely not revolutionaries.

 

[chilango]

 

[cupid_stunt]

Why the fuss over China's emissions particularly. It's still the most populous country in the world, it's always going to be the biggest emitter. And while I'm no fan of Xi, at least the country doesn't have the slavish devotion to markets that makes planned and coordinated action almost impossible in the west.

Yeah, like direct action is embraced in China.

 

[AmateurAgitator]

Well there we have it

 

[maomao]

Yeah, like direct action is embraced in China.

It isn't embraced here.

 

[DotCommunist]

The blocking ambulances line is a well used yeh but trope already.see every other criticism all the time of the protesters everywhere in social media.

...just a bit of a shame they can't roll out "the trouble was believed to have been caused by a hard-core of anarchists fuelled by high strength lager" anymore. I miss that.*

*Not high strength lager. I don't miss that.

packed lunches and drinking money provided by 'insert enemy here' is another old classic, I saw it grimly updated with 'soros' in the provider of evil wages to protestors line not so long ago.

 

[chilango]

packed lunches and drinking money provided by 'insert enemy here' is another old classic, I saw it grimly updated with 'soros' in the provider of evil wages to protestors line not so long ago.

Tbf I did get paid £10 for my lunch once by the TUC (or my local Trades Council) to go to some lobby thing at Parliament.

 

[cupid_stunt]

It isn't embraced here.

It fucking is, compared to what would happen in China.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

No it's not.

Surely if the revolution isn't convenient for people, if it isn't there for people, providing for them then people won't get behind it and it will fail.

This is very basic stuff. Kropotkin wrote about it in The Conquest of Bread.

It's also ridiculous to compare what Insulate Britain are doing to a revolution if you ask me and they are definitely not revolutionaries.

Hearing rumours that the Spanish Civil war did inconvenience some people? I assume that is just revisionism from Franco apologists and tankies though?

 

[maomao]

It fucking is, compared to what would happen in China.

There's loads of single-issue direct action on a local level in China.

 

[LDC]

No it's not.

Surely if the revolution isn't convenient for people, if it isn't there for people, providing for them then people won't get behind it and it will fail.

This is very basic stuff. Kropotkin wrote about it in The Conquest of Bread.

It's also ridiculous to compare what Insulate Britain are doing to a revolution if you ask me and they are definitely not revolutionaries.

I'd like to see details of any revolution or significant social change that's been 'convenient' for anyone!

I do agree that the point about what is and isn't revolutionary politics and political action, and then how those politics are often jumbled up and confused with activism, and then how often any activism gets criticized by revolutionaries for not being about revolution, whereas maybe it's just activism on a certain topic and revolutionary politics has nothing to do with it.

 

[hitmouse]

...just a bit of a shame they can't roll out "the trouble was believed to have been caused by a hard-core of anarchists fuelled by high strength lager" anymore. I miss that.*

*Not high strength lager. I don't miss that.

I've still never quite got over the time I saw a Stalinist meme implying that all anarchists drink La Croix sparkling water. The times they are a-changin'.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

It's not my revolution if I can't drive my SUV wherever I want to.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Driving an SUV doesn't make you middle class. Those of us relegated to the end of life car market get to drive anything we like.

 

[chilango]

I've still never quite got over the time I saw a Stalinist meme implying that all anarchists drink La Croix sparkling water. The times they are a-changin'.

I'm old enough that your post makes no sense to me at all.

Stallnist memes?
Wtf is La Croix?

 

[Flavour]

...just a bit of a shame they can't roll out "the trouble was believed to have been caused by a hard-core of anarchists fuelled by high strength lager" anymore. I miss that.*

*Not high strength lager. I don't miss that.

Tennents Super still all the rage among the anarchist crowd in Italy I am sure you will be very pleased to know

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Driving an SUV doesn't make you middle class. Those of us relegated to the end of life car market get to drive anything we like.

I've not owned a car for 10 years (not smug about it, just don't need one where I am) so I have no idea what "the end of life car market" is? Just driving bangers or what?

 

[maomao]

Wtf is La Croix?

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I've not owned a car for 10 years (not smug about it, just don't need one where I am) so I have no idea what "the end of life car market" is? Just driving bangers or what?

I pretty much made up the term myself on the hoof but that's what I meant. To be scrapped in 12 months or less. Anything under 1000.


I've actually stopped driving now for the time being, good timing with the eye watering petrol prices

 

[LDC]

Tennents Super still all the rage among the anarchist crowd in Italy I am sure you will be very pleased to know

You can count on the Italians for many things...

 

[chilango]

It's not my revolution if I can't drive my SUV wherever I want to.

I heard the 1st International split 'cos they couldn't agree mutually convenient dates for the next Congress. Marx could "only do Tuesdays" but Bakunin "had something on" and Blanqui wasn't prepared to travel more than 2 hours "for some boring Congress".

 

[hitmouse]

I'm old enough that your post makes no sense to me at all.

Stallnist memes?
Wtf is La Croix?

Overpriced fizzy water that comes in some quite nice colourful cans:

La Croix sparkling water is little short of a religion among millennials - here's why

The sugar-free, flavoured drink is gaudy, moreish and huge in LA. But is it because of the look, or the taste?

www.theguardian.com

And yes, I'm old enough to remember a time when the concept of "Stalinist memes" would also have sounded ridiculous, but here we are.

 

[JimW]

Why the fuss over China's emissions particularly. It's still the most populous country in the world, it's always going to be the biggest emitter. And while I'm no fan of Xi, at least the country doesn't have the slavish devotion to markets that makes planned and coordinated action almost impossible in the west.

It's also doing a fair amount of the manufacturing for the rest of the industrialised world, particularly to lower end stuff that is more emissions heavy, so it's everyone else's CO2 in that sense as well.

 

[hitmouse]

I heard the 1st International split 'cos they couldn't agree mutually convenient dates for the next Congress. Marx could "only do Tuesdays" but Bakunin "had something on" and Blanqui wasn't prepared to travel more than 2 hours "for some boring Congress".

And Proudhon missed the whole thing cos he was asleep outside the offy with his dog on a string.

 

[chilango]

Tennents Super still all the rage among the anarchist crowd in Italy I am sure you will be very pleased to know

Tenants Super has an ever slightly different rep in Italy though! Fancy bars with Tenants Super umbrellas on the piazza were commonplace in Milan.

 

[chilango]

Look at these selfish fuckers blocking ambulances.

 

[chilango]

The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

Maybe so, but what about the RNLI, eh? You unthinking bastards!

 

[Raheem]

.
These fuckers even put up a banner, like blocking ambulances is something to be proud of.