Do we support Insulate Britain?

[HoratioCuthbert]

After reading the thread I am not sure, so probably what Brogdale and Teaboy said.

 

[chilango]

 

[Flavour]

You can count on the Italians for many things...

[/MEDIA]

 

[Yossarian]

The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

But what about the customers inconvenienced by lunch counter sit-ins? Some of them might have been hungry paramedics.

 

[Serge Forward]

Is there a version of Godwin's Law about how long a thread about activism can go on for before someone posts that bit from As We See It? Or something from Give Up Activism, one or the other.

You say that like it's a bad thing

 

[Pickman's model]

Whatever else the solution is not 'fuck it, we're doomed'.

You're like general melchett - if nothing else works a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through

 

[Cid]

You're like general melchett - if nothing else works a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through

And you, as usual, are only interested in picking holes in straw men.

 

[Serene]

Look at these selfish fuckers blocking ambulances.

There is some good comedy on this thread.

 

[Carvaged]

I support insulating Britain with a lot of organic hemp fibre. I really only see a lot of win-wins in such a scenario.

 

[andysays]

In the meantime, it looks like someone from Insulate Britain has read this thread and they've seen the error of their ways

Insulate Britain suspends road protests for 11 days​

Climate protest group Insulate Britain, which has caused disruption to major roads during the last five weeks, is to suspend its campaigning for 11 days. The activists have blocked motorways and roads in the London area, including the M1 and M25, and Thames crossings.

In an open letter to Prime Minister Boris Johnson, the group says it will halt its "campaign of civil resistance" until 25 October. Insulate Britain said it "profoundly" acknowledges the disruption caused.

 

[Serene]

In the meantime, it looks like someone from Insulate Britain has read this thread and they've seen the error of their ways

Insulate Britain suspends road protests for 11 days​

They are getting ideas from us?

 

[Saul Goodman]

Why aren't they protesting outside Johnson's house? The same reason cops prefer to pick on motorists than real criminals. Motorists tend to not fight back, so these bored rich kids know they're less likely to get a good hiding blocking roads than blocking access to Johnson's gaff or #10.
They're doing nothing of worth, and it's only a matter of time before the public take the law into their own hands and start doling out physical warnings.

 

[hitmouse]

Biff Whipster is a fantastic nom de guerre, or nom de roadblock or whatever.

 

[chilango]

Fuck off Saul, your schtick is getting boring.

 

[hitmouse]

Motorists tend to not fight back, so these bored rich kids know they're less likely to get a good hiding blocking roads than blocking access to Johnson's gaff or #10.

fantastic. Everyone knows you can do whatever you want to a motorist and they won't get wound up, there's even a name for this well-known phenomenon: road calmness.

 

[killer b]

What would protesting outside johnson's house accomplish? People do that from time to time and it does fuck all.

 

[Saul Goodman]

What would protesting outside johnson's house accomplish?

Not annoy working class people trying to get to work to feed their families. Something these cunts don't have to worry about.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Fuck off Saul, your schtick is getting boring.

Have you read the shite you've posted here?

 

[killer b]

Not annoy working class people trying to get to work to feed their families. Something these cunts don't have to worry about.

Any political action that stands a chance of actually doing something will annoy people on the way to work. It's inevitable.

 

[The39thStep]

In the meantime, it looks like someone from Insulate Britain has read this thread and they've seen the error of their ways

Insulate Britain suspends road protests for 11 days​

After reading this they’ve probsbly decided to buy some time to give those posters on here who support them the opportunity to join , take part in their activities or donate some money to them ?

 

[cupid_stunt]

What would protesting outside johnson's house accomplish? People do that from time to time and it does fuck all.

And, you think these protests are going to achieve anything, beyond more powers for the police to break up protests?

Their demands are totally unrealistic, and could never be achieved in the time frame they set out, they live in the same fantasy world as all the numbnuts calling on private cars being banned, which is never going to happen in our lifetimes.

 

[Pickman's model]

And you, as usual, are only interested in picking holes in straw men.

A pig-headed refusal to look facts in the face. If you looked into the issue of arctic methane, at the way the Arctic is already damaged by soot which lowers the amount of sunlight reflected, at the feedback loops which build on this, the way the reduced ice is encouraging shipping along previously closed routes, therefore more soot - you wouldn't be so complacent. Barring a miracle - for which people should strain minds and muscles to deliver - it's all fucked. I'd love to see you bring out the science to show all that's bilge but I don't expect you to

 

[LDC]

Any political action that stands a chance of actually doing something will annoy people on the way to work. It's inevitable.

That's not true though, plenty of political action has no chance of annoying people on the way to work. The type of political action that does annoy people on the way to work (or going anywhere) is a very small subsection of what can be done - it's just that that type of action has grown to dominate the tool box of political groups, I think largely for not great reasons.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Why aren't they protesting outside Johnson's house? The same reason cops prefer to pick on motorists than real criminals. Motorists tend to not fight back, so these bored rich kids know they're less likely to get a good hiding blocking roads than blocking access to Johnson's gaff or #10.
They're doing nothing of worth, and it's only a matter of time before the public take the law into their own hands and start doling out physical warnings.

Yeah motorists are famously sanguine about speeding fines and there’s no reason at all why fuel duty has been static since he early 2000s

Those oppressed motorists are saints one and all

 

[Saul Goodman]

Any political action that stands a chance of actually doing something will annoy people on the way to work. It's inevitable.

Why? What's wrong with picketing outside factories after people have arrived at work, and preventing trucks from entering or leaving? That way the workers get paid and it hits the companies.

 

[Cid]

A pig-headed refusal to look facts in the face. If you looked into the issue of arctic methane, at the way the Arctic is already damaged by soot which lowers the amount of sunlight reflected, at the feedback loops which build on this, the way the reduced ice is encouraging shipping along previously closed routes, therefore more soot - you wouldn't be so complacent. Barring a miracle - for which people should strain minds and muscles to deliver - it's all fucked. I'd love to see you bring out the science to show all that's bilge but I don't expect you to

You’re not arguing with me, you’re arguing with what you think I think.

 

[maomao]

A pig-headed refusal to look facts in the face. If you looked into the issue of arctic methane, at the way the Arctic is already damaged by soot which lowers the amount of sunlight reflected, at the feedback loops which build on this, the way the reduced ice is encouraging shipping along previously closed routes, therefore more soot - you wouldn't be so complacent. Barring a miracle - for which people should strain minds and muscles to deliver - it's all fucked. I'd love to see you bring out the science to show all that's bilge but I don't expect you to

Are you two even talking about the same thing? He was just saying we shouldn't give in to abject defeatism wasn't he?

 

[killer b]

And, you think these protests are going to achieve anything, beyond more powers for the police to break up protests?

Their demands are totally unrealistic, and could never be achieved in the time frame they set out, they live in the same fantasy world as all the numbnuts calling on private cars being banned, which is never going to happen in our lifetimes.

They don't have to achieve those demands to achieve something though do they? If insulating the housing stock of the UK is pushed up the political agenda - and it's certainly something a lot more people are aware of now - then they've achieved something. a lot more than they'd have been able to achieve by going and waving some placards outside downing street.

 

[killer b]

Why? What's wrong with picketing outside factories after people have arrived at work, and preventing trucks from entering or leaving? That way the workers get paid and it hits the companies.

which factories do you propose they picket?

 

[andysays]

After reading this they’ve probsbly decided to buy some time to give those posters on here who support them the opportunity to join , take part in their activities or donate some money to them ?

No, they've clearly seen the error of their ways after reading the well argued posts of Saul Goodman and others.