Do we support Insulate Britain?

[Pickman's model]

I don't think you're making sufficient allowance for 'implicit threat level' .. or more importantly, for 'what's the worst that could happen if this goes wrong?'

he is taking the platinumsage

 

[Storm Fox]

Yeah there are no degrees of anything, for example if someone puts their hand your shoulder it's serious violence - no different from being stabbed.

There is no way in the world you can fuck up putting your hand on someone's shoulder that is going to kill them. However it very easy to fuck up just nudging someone with a 2 tonne car producing over a hundred Horsepower / kW. and kill them or give that person life changing injuries.

 

[platinumsage]

There is no way in the world you can fuck up putting your hand on someone's shoulder that is going to kill them. However it very easy to fuck up just nudging someone with a 2 tonne car producing over a hundred Horsepower / kW. and kill them or give that person life changing injuries.

I don't see how it's more risky than stopping at a zebra crossing while someone crosses in front of the car. In fact there's less chance of the driver's foot coming off the brake or them accidentally going for the wrong pedal.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't see how it's more risky than stopping at a zebra crossing while someone crosses in front of the car. In fact there's less chance of the driver's foot coming off the brake or them accidentally going for the wrong pedal.

There are none so blind as those who will not see

 

[Storm Fox]

I don't see how it's more risky than stopping at a zebra crossing while someone crosses in front of the car. In fact there's less chance of the driver's foot coming off the brake or them accidentally going for the wrong pedal.

Because a normal pedestrian will check the speed of on-coming vehicle before crossing. Also if you look at diagram 52 here The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 the minimum distance between the stop line and the start of the pedestrian crossing area is 1.1m and up to 3 metres. So if a driver's foot slipped they have a chance to slam the breaks on and the pedestrians get out of the way. If you are touching someone with your car, you have no time to react and correct that person is sitting they have no chance of getting out of the way.
I cannot believe I need to type this, but 1.1m is a BIGGER distance the 0mm.

 

[liquidindian]

Is it riskier to hit someone with a car, or not hit someone with a car? Quite the mystery.

 

[kabbes]

This is so stupidly crazy that I am left to assume that platinumsage is on a wind up. Nobody is that divorced from the reality of risk and threat. This is at the level of, "nu-huh, I just put my fist there, you didn't have to put your head in the way."

 

[8ball]

Personally think insulate Britain's aims are great just direct action possibly not the best tactic

Given their aims, I wouldn’t call it “direct action” unless it involved insulating something

 

[8ball]

Is it riskier to hit someone with a car, or not hit someone with a car? Quite the mystery.

Depends what the situation is. If you were knocking someone out of the path of a fast-moving train, then you are transferring a lot of risk from the person on the train tracks onto yourself.

Letting them get obliterated by the train is definitely the best course if you are concerned about personal safety and the potential for litigation.

 

[8ball]

In this tiny niche here perhaps. But you won't find many people in the real world who would regard being uninjuredly bumped by a car traveling at less than walking speed as "serious violence".

Usually it’s not being done on purpose, to be fair. It seems odd for serious violence to be defined by intention, but then I suppose there are other cases this applies to.
Being tased and being defibrillated have quite a lot in common, for example.

 

[Ground Elder]

Made me laugh -

Environmental campaign group buys Cornwall MP's constituency office

The Insulate Britain supporters have been using the rent money to help cover legal fees

 

[Dystopiary]

The judge who fined 12 Insulate Britain activists has told them that they've "inspired" him.

Leake said: “They have inspired me and personally I intend to do what I can to reduce my own impact on the planet, so to that extent your voices are certainly heard,” while adding: “I have heard your voices.”

Despite saying their actions were inspiring, Leake added that his role was to “apply the law” and said their actions had caused “significant disruption” to the motorway. “These are difficult cases for us judges because we have to apply the law and that is what we have sworn our judicial oaths to do.”

Insulate Britain protesters praised by judge who fined them

 

[stavros]

I haven't read the whole thread, so apologies if this has already been discussed. Does the fact that the government don't like the type of people in Insulate Britain and their methods make it less likely that they, the government, adopt any of the ideas IB are campaigning for?

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Worthless piece of shit judge Silas Reid jails 3 Insulate Britain activists for contempt of court for making reference to the climate crisis, home insulation and fuel poverty in their closing statements to the jury.

Court restrictions on climate protesters ‘deeply concerning’, say leading lawyers

Three non-violent Insulate Britain activists have been jailed for telling juries why they were protesting

www.theguardian.com

 

[DotCommunist]

You may not mention in defense anything that that may aid you in court is it, Judge fucking dredd. Clear that he thinks juries can't be rusted to convict so they can't be allowed to hear the evidence. Beaky cunt.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

You may not mention in defense anything that that may aid you in court is it, Judge fucking dredd. Clear that he thinks juries can't be rusted to convict so they can't be allowed to hear the evidence. Beaky cunt.

Jury equity terrifies these fossilised fascists more than anything.

 

[8ball]

Imo is more an organised plan to control the narrative and increase punishments as opposed to the actions of a couple of nasty old beaks.

Needs a coordinated response.