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Dispatches & Panorama programmes on ATOS disability assessments (30/7)

The politicians have deliberately made it into a test of wits. They've constructed this maze that even a healthy, intelligent, motivated person would struggle to get through. And it's getting worse and worse every year. The suicide rate is going to shoot up, and the politicians will just shrug their shoulders. There are some good free advisers funded by central govt/councils/charity who can help individual claimants but their funding is being cut and they have to focus on the most in need, i.e. people with poor literacy or too disabled to write.

I feel the benefitsandwork people are doing a fantastic job of protecting vulnerable people from the state and the recession. They have lots of subscribers who say the service has made a huge difference. If you want to use their info without paying, have a read of the free areas of their site and PM me or one of the other subscribers your email address and we can send you the pdfs you want. Here's a summary. Maybe when you can afford to you'll subscribe if you want to. They're a limited company so you could always get their accounts from companies house and decide whether they are profiteers.

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IIRC it only eventually got set up as a limited company, as the DWP etc were making noises about suing the founder for libelling them, and it was the best way for him to stop them turning him over.
 
So what if he has political leanings. His preferred political party are doing nothing to stop this rot.

Quite. I didn't see anything that evinced pro-Labour bias, and if he didn't exhibit a pro-Labour bias then this complaint, like so much the ConDems do, is spurious window-dressing that attempts to obscure the true subject under debate.
 
Fuck me this looks despicable too:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jul/31/minister-accused-video-disability-claimants

The minister for employment, Chris Grayling, has been accused of trying to censor a Ministry of Justice courts service information video which sought to help and advise those appealing against decisions to have their disability and sickness benefit taken away.

A string of emails and letters between Grayling and Ministry of Justice civil servants, seen by the Guardian, appear to show that the minister for employment wanted to remove parts of the educational video produced by Her Majesty's Courts and Tribunals Service which gave advice on how be to more successful during the appeals process. Emails sent from the minister's account complain about the video's "tone" and "negative comments" towards the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) even though the sections in dispute were agreed to be factually true.

The censorship allegations come after Channel Four's Dispatches programme on Monday alleged that Atos, the firm involved in medically assessing sickness and disability claims, had developed a target culture to ensure enough people were being taken off benefits.

BBC's Panorama, also aired on Monday, further questioned Atos's assessment procedures and found one case where a man died of his serious heart condition just five weeks after the company found him fit to work for the second time.
Hundreds of thousands have appealed against benefit decisions in the past few years and, according to the latest figures, about 30% are successful.

The courts service video, which tells claimants to appear in person if they want to be twice as likely to win their appeal, remains offline and the MoJ appears to have instructed YouTube to pull down all illicitly posted copies because of copyright infringement.


Complaining about the tone of the video, an email was sent from Grayling's official ministerial account to MoJ officials on 19 March saying: "A couple of times it's noted that a claimant is twice as likely to win their appeal if they turn up in person – again this is broadly true, but doesn't help to reduce the opinion that it isn't the facts of the case that are important, but the turning up in front of a tribunal and pleading their case."
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A further email from Grayling's office reads: "I think for the moment we should wait to see what comments they [Ministry of Justice officials] come back with … it may be that we feel the whole tone of the video is wrong and could not be fixed."

After the list of complaints from Grayling's office was sent to the Ministry of Justice, the department's parliamentary under-secretary, Jonathan Djanogly, wrote in a letter dated 5 April that he would instruct his officials to remove certain sections of the film even though the statements were not factually in dispute and would run a copy of the future script of the courts service video past DWP staff.

When later asked in a parliamentary question on 10 July by the former Labour Treasury minister Stephen Timms why his department had sought to remove the video, Grayling replied: "The department did not direct that the Ministry of Justice video about employment and support allowance appeals be removed from the website YouTube.

"We sought to correct factual inaccuracies within the video which we brought to the attention of MoJ officials who agreed to revise the content of the video."

And lying toads into the bargain, another suprise.

The message would seem to be to promote as widely as possible that claimants must appear in person if they want to be twice as likely to win their appeal. Any ideas on how to push that?
 
State parasites = politicians, hosts = us.

You gibbering spoon. :facepalm:

er no, the poster is a well known r/
I've a feeling they may be looking at some kind of 'conditionality' * I hate that word* for those with addictions when the Universal Credit comes in. Given they seem to be making it all up as they go along I'm not certain at all what the blerts are up to to be honest.

Perhaps once addicts are placed in the WRAG it'll be up to their WP to make sure they meet the terms of their agreement/conditionality.

Who knows what's going on with the 'black box' approach 'tween gubmnt and WPs

w libertarian, he is referring to people living off the taxpayer, its a regular meme...

there will be 'robust' conditionality for all claimants...
 
Just spotted a good post by Bob Williams-Findlay on my farceboak that kinda explain how the WCA tests are set up/rigged so that targets are not needed.
This is a functional-activities-assessment-tool. One of my arguments is that it is possible to "know" what kind of individuals are going to score high/low during an assessment.

This "knowledge" comes from existing 'data collection', therefore it is possible to use this "knowledge" to forecast the percentage of people who will be assessed who will pass or fail. My argument, which some are saying is pedantic, is that this process doesn't constitute "target setting" - the reason I'm saying this is because in my opinion a target is something one is trying to reach, these assessments ensures the outcome from the beginning - therefore no target needs to be set.

I know this might sound like I'm splitting hairs and its all very convoluted, but I'm trying to demonstrate how difficult it is to make the claim the DWP operate "targets" - there is no paper trail because it's all contained within the methodological framework. I accept for the poor bastards on the end of it all, they might as well have targets, but that's a different matter.


www.healthcare.uiowa.edu
 
Just spotted a good post by Bob Williams-Findlay on my farceboak that kinda explain how the WCA tests are set up/rigged so that targets are not needed.
Thanks for the link. so, basically a war of attrition against benefit claimants. Why am I not surprised? :facepalm:
 
'French Atos workers are disgusted and are quoted as saying

this shameful scandal should not stay in the shadows. Our duty as
employees of Atos members and trade unionists, is to inform you about
these events that affect disabled workers for whom on this side of the
Channel we have a special regard'​

The union in ATOS France apparently did put out a message, not sure of its provenance...
 
just signed Sonia's letter, really weird, editing while someone else is as well!

and watching more people sign up in real time, though a enemy could sabotage it quite easily...
 
It doesn't say how long it took her to walk up to the top of the slide?

Furthermore, you don't need your feet to land in a pool of water. In fact, there's probably a lot of people who have walking difficulties who love swimming because it takes the weight of their feet.

Not saying if she was on the fiddle or not, but without the full story as to how long it took her to get up the slide and what exactly her disabilities were...

Dominique Jackson

The Paralympics will show us just how much disabled people can achieve


Dominique might as well be asking why all normal able-bodied people aren't all athletes

TWAT
 
The Paralympics will show us just how much disabled people can achieve, and shame despicable benefits cheats.

And the Daily Fail fuckwit journalists are off leading the pack in whipping up hatred for sick and disabled.
AFAIK a lot of those athletes were lucky enough to get early access to appropriate treatment and adaptations - it's not the same for everyone. I love the way that journalists frequently use overachieving healthy supercrips to whip people who are long term sick or have fairly advanced stages of a degenerative condition.
 
AFAIK a lot of those athletes were lucky enough to get early access to appropriate treatment and adaptations - it's not the same for everyone. I love the way that journalists frequently use overachieving healthy supercrips to whip people who are long term sick or have fairly advanced stages of a degenerative condition.

and just because a lot of them have lost limbs doesn't necessarily mean they're in constant pain
 
Given the amount of time the opposite kind of propaganda has been going on, it'll take some time I think, but it's really encouraging to see not just 1 but 2 programs saying what disabled people have been saying.
I think there will be a fair number of people who see this and will come out against the WCA as it is, whilst still believing that there are loads of people faking it, but that the assessment needs to be changed. I hope so anyway.
What we need to do is to spread propaganda about the very people who have spent so much time spreading bad propeganda. E.g. the sun, and other tabloids.
 
Already a part of the Welfare Reform Act 2012 - Clause 102. And on the cards for April 2013, effectively ending the current 'ease' of claiming an assessment rate of ESA during the appeal.
Great. If I am found fit for work, there will be plenty time for me to default with my mortgage payments and get my house reposessed. :(, so I can sit on a nice waiting list while no one has any obligation to house me.
Homelessness in my late forties, just what I need to sort out my life.
How is that going to help me?
 
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