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Dispatches & Panorama programmes on ATOS disability assessments (30/7)

treelover said:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/c...hink-twice-before-opposing-necessary-reforms/

That cow Odone in the telegraph...:mad:

oh, and will be become common, she is the first to use the example of the para-olympics to bash disabled claimants...
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Strong image used with the story though.

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I think the gubmnt will seriously look at the appeals process now and find a way to hobble the judges.. as well as hobble the whole appeals process too that is.
 
Frankie Jack said:
I think the gubmnt will seriously look at the appeals process now and find a way to hobble the judges.. as well as hobble the whole appeals process too that is.
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they are trying to already.

1. the referal back to the dwp before appeal, no time limit on their decision

2. complete removal of all benefits while alleal is being processed. bakunin's dla appeal took over a year. can't imagine esa appeals during the same period were all that faster. this effectively removes the right of appeal from anyone without independent means of support


only possible upside is that this will likely be shot down eventually by the judiciary. they don't like any gvt trying to limit access to even a quasi judicial sustem like the benefit appeals.
 
Indeed toggle. I realise the appeals process is snowed under yet there's nothing being done to aleviate that. Makes me wonder if they have a 'target' of how many won't make it.

Greyskull and Atos say there are no 'targets' but I'm sure they are using other words making this a sort of pathetic truth.
 
@tomgreatrexmp After @bbcpanorama and @C4Dispatches tonight, MPs have chance 2 tackle DWP Minister on #wca #Atos in Parli debate on 4 Sept.
 
' BBC programmes on the subject is that it was co-directed by a Disabled woman - Kate Ansell - who I used to talk with regularly. She was a contributor to BBC's Ouch website, which for many of us was a rallying point. No surprise that the BBC D-G closed the site and messageboard down.'


revealing comment on CIf, i thought it was so different , here was someone who knows what they are talking about...
 
Christina Odone says in that article '...their prized autonomy comes at a price'.
So there you have it disabled people. If you want autonomy, if you want security and support then you will have to pay the price. Though the price may be your dignity; it may be intrusive and objectifying. Iit may be your health, it might cause you considerable stress and despair and force you into occupations your health cannot sustain but they will give you your autonomy so long as you comply.

I don't want to live in this country anymore :( These people make me sick to my stomach.
 
"If you're no longer a viable wealth creating unit then why should capital bother to subsidise you?" Says Grayling.
 
Does work make sick people better?

You often hear this bizarre phase turned into a jingo by the Tories when they shout out that “Work makes you better” ! You think, I know he must be speaking about certain types of illnesses, but when you realise this phase is applied Carte Blanche to every kind of conceivable and killer diseases that human beings suffer from, one has to really start seriously questioning the wisdom and the intelligence of a person uttering this in a parrot like fashion.
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Even if work does improve feelings of well being, increase mobility and widen your circle of support (that would be an excellent therapy for people with chronic conditions if it were true, show me some studies please) it cannot possibly apply to people with degenerative and fatal diseases. Or chemo patients.
It's an ignorant, stupid thing to say.
 
Frankie Jack said:
Does work make sick people better?
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it can do. i've got a long history of depressive episides and i'm better off now than i was before, but it took me a long time to get there and had i been under the kind fo stress bakunin was under for his appeal, i'd never had got there.workbeyond your current capabilities or starve is never going to help anyone. ease ypurself into a place that accepts you for who you are, at your own pace could achieve far better results for those capable.

what is always ignored is how willing work is to accept anyone different. I think it is significantly easier in some regions than others.
 
How could they do it for free? It's not a hobby, it's their job. It saves people lots of money and you can get a refund if it doesn't help.
 
Rutita1 said:
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He said he was considering desperate measures. Nobody picked up on that. Anyone dealing with vulnerable folks should be trained to recognise desperation. Instead it was an exhausting cycle of people who didn't understand him, didn't try to. Nobody even said 'hold on, I'll just pass you to someone who can help, and this is the help they can give you'. There were just breathy gasps as the poor untrained minimum wage call centre staff looked for the script or worked out who they could pass it onto next. The best they could possibly do was to finish on an aggressive hardfaced mer who spat 'put in in writing' before slaming the phone down.

Fail.
 
Libertad said:
I don't know why they charge though, the people who need their services most are those least able to afford them. Me for instance.
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Libertad, if you can't afford the £15 sub at the moment (it's been a stretch for VP and I at times to pay for that and the DRH), you have only to ask one of the urbanites who currently subscribe and they'll look up whatever it is that you need to know.
 
treelover said:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/c...hink-twice-before-opposing-necessary-reforms/

That cow Odone in the telegraph...:mad:

oh, and will be become common, she is the first to use the example of the para-olympics to bash disabled claimants...
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Going on about autonomy ffs, benefits enable people to live autonomously. Mind you, Odone and those of her stripe know that, which is why they so resent the whole idea of social security. I know it's a bit pathetic to say this, but I do hope she gets paralysed in a car accident or somesuch and loses all mobility from the neck down so that she has to type her column with a kind of prod thing attached to a headband around her forhead. Might not look so smug in her byline pic then, eh?
 
Greebo said:
Libertad, if you can't afford the £15 sub at the moment (it's been a stretch for VP and I at times to pay for that and the DRH), you have only to ask one of the urbanites who currently subscribe and they'll look up whatever it is that you need to know.
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Thanks Greeble, that's very kind and I may have to take you up on that offer.
 
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