Discussion: UK anti-vaxx 'freedom' morons, protests and QAnon idiots
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rekil
to menny cranks
Is this a guardian pitch?
bimble
floofy
The main impression I get watching them on that thread, is how little it takes for some people to feel like they absolutely know what they’re on about. Maybe that’s a key thing, some people can watch a video on YouTube & feel that they’re now an expert on virology whilst others might study for decades and be really cautious about making any claims to Truth.
SpineyNorman
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bimble
floofy
Yoga teacher surfaced & says, in post to group, that he ‘regrets’ posting that thing. Doesn’t say why, just that its probably better to just keep the WhatsApp group for yoga class zoom links in future & hopes everyone has a lovely evening praying hands emoji.
Cowardly but in the circumstances a good outcome.
Cowardly but in the circumstances a good outcome.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Fair play to him, that's a better response than most posting that kind of stuff would have. Maybe he's got all his chakras aligned tonight.
ddraig
kicking against the pricks...
probably to save face and not lose paying clients!
Clair De Lune
Apocalypse cocktails
I'm going to hold my hands up and admit that I can be super naive and easily led sometimes. Much more so than I previously realised. I like coming on urban as it grounds me as I read posts, links and arguments which refute things that might have caught hold in my head otherwise. This is quite embarrassing to admit honestly as I previously thought of myself as someone who had a good bullshit or wacky woo detector. Maybe there's just a lot more bullshit to wade through this year and I'm getting lazy/tired I dunno.
The last year has taught me that I really need to double and triple check out things with people I trust
I certainly don't go looking for dodgy shit...its more of a case of family members or aquaintaces talking about this shit and me not knowing how to refute their claims effectively...and sometimes even thinking hmm they might have a point about that bit. If indeed they are intelligent and someone I thought I could trust. I've taken a step away from some folk once I realised that in fact they hold a lot of crazy conspiracy theory ideas.
Ive had to learn to be more discerning and not let fear or lack of knowledge let me make illogical leaps like I see some folk doing. And yet some stuff persists..
For instance I have a strong sense of not wanting the vaccine. Its not because I think its some mind control, chip or 5g related thing and I am certainly not a covid denier. But I can't put my finger on exactly what my issue is with having it. I suppose I'm extremely lucky that I'm in a position where I can even consider not having it. But half of me thinks I definitely should and will. Perhaps its because I've never had a vaccine before. But then my kids have...and obviously I wouldn't have let them have anything if I didn't believe they were safe and for the best. I'm trying to unravel what my issue is here. I know that quite a few people I know have a similar reluctance.. and yet when I hear their reasons I think they're bullshit...so mine probably are too
I'm probably going to regret posting this but if I'm feeling like this then I know that there will be others thinking these thoughts quietly but knowing they'll be ridiculed or torn to shreds if they share them. I suppose if I'm feeling fear then there must be a part of me that is concerned they aren't safe and I'd very much like that to change. Just writing this down has helped me get a little closer to understanding tbf.
The last year has taught me that I really need to double and triple check out things with people I trust
I certainly don't go looking for dodgy shit...its more of a case of family members or aquaintaces talking about this shit and me not knowing how to refute their claims effectively...and sometimes even thinking hmm they might have a point about that bit. If indeed they are intelligent and someone I thought I could trust. I've taken a step away from some folk once I realised that in fact they hold a lot of crazy conspiracy theory ideas.Ive had to learn to be more discerning and not let fear or lack of knowledge let me make illogical leaps like I see some folk doing. And yet some stuff persists..
For instance I have a strong sense of not wanting the vaccine. Its not because I think its some mind control, chip or 5g related thing and I am certainly not a covid denier. But I can't put my finger on exactly what my issue is with having it. I suppose I'm extremely lucky that I'm in a position where I can even consider not having it. But half of me thinks I definitely should and will. Perhaps its because I've never had a vaccine before. But then my kids have...and obviously I wouldn't have let them have anything if I didn't believe they were safe and for the best. I'm trying to unravel what my issue is here. I know that quite a few people I know have a similar reluctance.. and yet when I hear their reasons I think they're bullshit...so mine probably are too
I'm probably going to regret posting this but if I'm feeling like this then I know that there will be others thinking these thoughts quietly but knowing they'll be ridiculed or torn to shreds if they share them. I suppose if I'm feeling fear then there must be a part of me that is concerned they aren't safe and I'd very much like that to change. Just writing this down has helped me get a little closer to understanding tbf.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Thanks for that, Clair De Lune.
You must have had childhood vaccines though? Did you not get the BCG?
You must have had childhood vaccines though? Did you not get the BCG?
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Clair De Lune, take a read of these two articles, that could help to put your mind at rest re-the vaccines.
www.theguardian.com
www.theguardian.com
The Covid vaccine arrived quickly – but there's every reason to trust it | Charlotte Summers
It’s safe, it works, and it gives a tantalising glimpse of what else might be achieved given sufficient political will, says Dr Charlotte Summers, of the University of Cambridge
The vaccine miracle: how scientists waged the battle against Covid-19
We trace the extraordinary research effort, from the discovery of the virus’s structure to the start of inoculations this week
Clair De Lune
Apocalypse cocktails
Nope. Not a single one. I wasn't in school so I missed out on them.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Right, and none of the infant jags? Wow. Well, I get the flu vaccine every year, which is developed afresh each year. I’d recommend it.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
Trying to remember just how many jabs I got up to school leaving age ...
Diphtheria, Polio, Smallpox and the BCG for certain.
I think I would be too old for the MMR jabs, especially as I remember having mumps, measles and chicken pox as a kid. I got complications with both the mumps and the measles. But I don't remember having either rubella (aka German measles) or whooping cough.
I think I would prefer to have had a jab, having mumps was especially nasty ...
I did get pneumonia when I was 10, and that meant a trip to hospital - for oxygen plus several high dose penicillin jabs in my backside (ouch) and several "missing days/nights" and a tendency to get a chesty cough for months at a time for several years. I still don't like very cold air.
I've now got to the age when annual flu jabs are a good idea !
Diphtheria, Polio, Smallpox and the BCG for certain.
I think I would be too old for the MMR jabs, especially as I remember having mumps, measles and chicken pox as a kid. I got complications with both the mumps and the measles. But I don't remember having either rubella (aka German measles) or whooping cough.
I think I would prefer to have had a jab, having mumps was especially nasty ...
I did get pneumonia when I was 10, and that meant a trip to hospital - for oxygen plus several high dose penicillin jabs in my backside (ouch) and several "missing days/nights" and a tendency to get a chesty cough for months at a time for several years. I still don't like very cold air.
I've now got to the age when annual flu jabs are a good idea !
Clair De Lune
Apocalypse cocktails
Just read this - Childhood Vaccination and the NHS
I think that my mother must have denied consent for me having any vaccines actually as I had measles, mumps, chicken pox twice! and whooping cough as a kid..all quite badly
I will read and re read those links, thanks cupid_stunt I appreciate it
I think that my mother must have denied consent for me having any vaccines actually as I had measles, mumps, chicken pox twice! and whooping cough as a kid..all quite badly
I will read and re read those links, thanks cupid_stunt I appreciate it
oryx
Sitting on the bok of the day
That Guardian article confirms what I heard on the radio a few weeks ago (can't remember where) - that it was the financial and regulatory/bureaucracy aspect of the vaccine(s) that was accelerated, not the medical/research/testing aspect.Clair De Lune, take a read of these two articles, that could help to put your mind at rest re-the vaccines.
The Covid vaccine arrived quickly – but there's every reason to trust it | Charlotte Summers
It’s safe, it works, and it gives a tantalising glimpse of what else might be achieved given sufficient political will, says Dr Charlotte Summers, of the University of Cambridge
The vaccine miracle: how scientists waged the battle against Covid-19
We trace the extraordinary research effort, from the discovery of the virus’s structure to the start of inoculations this week
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Pretty sure there'd have been at least one tetanus in there, too...
I definitely had tetanus, diptheria, and mumps inoculations. I caught measles and chicken pox. And they were only vaccinating girls for rubella then (horrible pregnancy complications, actual symptoms weren't a huge issue). Oh, and polio. On a sugar lump.
muscovyduck
Good IT skills and food hygiene competent
This is what we're aiming for. From what I've seen at work, it's most toxic when they think it's acceptable to broadcast it. Best thing to do is starve it of oxygen.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Like you were a horse
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
I've had tetanus jabs as an adult, the last one after nearly cutting the tip off my thumb in the garden, over a couple of decades ago now.
[had a bloody - literally - long wait in A&E; and was using a piece of twine as a tourniquet, to the ??? of one of the nurses. At least my blood clots. I was expecting stitches, but they used steristrips, then cut up some micropore for a butterfly covering and I got a plastic stole to cover it. Most of the wait was for the tet jab.]
Clair De Lune
Apocalypse cocktails
These were really useful thanks, they answered a lot if not all of the questions I've had floating around my head. It really is remarkable what humans can achieve when they focus their efforts and share resources.Clair De Lune, take a read of these two articles, that could help to put your mind at rest re-the vaccines.
The Covid vaccine arrived quickly – but there's every reason to trust it | Charlotte Summers
It’s safe, it works, and it gives a tantalising glimpse of what else might be achieved given sufficient political will, says Dr Charlotte Summers, of the University of Cambridge
The vaccine miracle: how scientists waged the battle against Covid-19
We trace the extraordinary research effort, from the discovery of the virus’s structure to the start of inoculations this week
bimble
floofy
Agree. The best way for me to think about all sorts of stuff (conspiracy theories, racism, other things) is that for the most part i don’t need to try to change what a person like the yoga teacher thinks but making him feel uncomfortable for spreading his views in public is relatively easy and effective.
Clair De Lune
Apocalypse cocktails
Yeah you did well with that bimble
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Good.
I have them bookmarked to send to anyone that tells me they have concerns about the speed of development, just doing my bit.
editor
hiraethified
Looks like Sainsburys are going to have a BIG court case coming up soon 
metro.co.uk
Woman refusing to wear face mask kicked out of Sainsbury's by police
She had printed out a piece of paper from the government website to back up her claim that she had the right to be in the supermarket without a face covering.
metro.co.uk
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Looks like Sainsburys are going to have a BIG court case coming up soon
Woman refusing to wear face mask kicked out of Sainsbury's by police
She had printed out a piece of paper from the government website to back up her claim that she had the right to be in the supermarket without a face covering.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Not badly handled by the OB, though I really think they should avoid getting into any kind of fact-based disputes with this kind of person - it just fuels their conviction (ahahaha).Looks like Sainsburys are going to have a BIG court case coming up soon
Woman refusing to wear face mask kicked out of Sainsbury's by police
She had printed out a piece of paper from the government website to back up her claim that she had the right to be in the supermarket without a face covering.
And I do believe that, as time goes on, and people increasingly realise that this isn't some kind of game, these conspiracy types are going to find themselves edged further and further towards the margins.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Looks like a decent resource
Just caught up here, and in particular with Clair De Lune 's brave and honest post 
I'd offer to have your (local
) Corona vaccine jab for you, Clair, were you to be invited for one ahead of Mr Older (myself)
BUT the last thing I'd want to do if that possibility came up, would be to stop you getting vaccinated
Especially as you seem to be reading those links, etc., and thinking really hard about the whole thing anyway -- good on you
Respect
I'd offer to have your (local
) Corona vaccine jab for you, Clair, were you to be invited for one ahead of Mr Older (myself) BUT the last thing I'd want to do if that possibility came up, would be to stop you getting vaccinated
Especially as you seem to be reading those links, etc., and thinking really hard about the whole thing anyway -- good on you
Respect
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