"Digital driving licence"

[PR1Berske]

I'm accused by a few clipboard waving members of the forum of not following the rules when posting threads (none of them have their names in red so I don't know why I treat their mod-like behaviour as real but anyway, a tangent)

It seems from The Guardian via The Times that the government plan for "digital driving licences" also extends to more plans down the line: domestic flights, voting (what happened to "scrapping the Tories voter ID scheme?) benefits and so on)

I'm wholly against a formal national ID card scheme (there, clipboard wielders, an opinion!). It's not been a weakness to have no scheme throughout the years from Blair 's recommendation onwards, and it won't be necessary to implement them now.

Story: UK to introduce digital driving licences to ‘transform public services’


Earlier Urban threads I found on this:

*https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/why-i-oppose-a-national-id-card-database.351290/
*https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/photo-id-card-uk.326470/
*ID card disease spreading

 

[Pickman's model]

What's the point of your first paragraph, which doesn't seem to relate to the remainder of the post?

 

[StoneRoad]

Beeb coverage of the topic

Digital driving licences to be introduced this year

The government says technology should "make people's lives easier" but any system won't be mandatory.

www.bbc.co.uk

personally, not in favour !

yeah, may start off "voluntary" but I can see it becoming ID cards by a back door. and if it's on your phone, other problems eg flat batteries / no signal - just drive a few miles from where I live, and try to make a call ! ...
- and not everybody has a smart phone !
Plus potential for privacy issues. [like tracking]

 

[Aaronf]

Personally I wouldn't say I'm fussed about the digital driving licence, I can never find mine anyway. When I do find it I soon misplace it again as though someone has moved it and I live on my own! I rarely have it on me so might be for the best a digital one.

I wouldn't be in favour of a general ID card though. I know this will sound racist or whatever the right word is but it annoys me that when you live in whatever country you were born in (UK or anywhere) - you have to prove who you are?

 

[Cerv]

digital cards already implemented in many countries. so I'm glad the UK will be finally catching up.

Beeb coverage of the topic

Digital driving licences to be introduced this year

The government says technology should "make people's lives easier" but any system won't be mandatory.

www.bbc.co.uk

personally, not in favour !

yeah, may start off "voluntary" but I can see it becoming ID cards by a back door. and if it's on your phone, other problems eg flat batteries / no signal - just drive a few miles from where I live, and try to make a call ! ...
- and not everybody has a smart phone !
Plus potential for privacy issues. [like tracking]

it's simply the existing driving licence delivered in a different form.
really a change no different to when the plastic card was introduced instead of just the old big paper licences.

there's no way this can be "ID cards by the back door" any more than driving licences already are. (there's a fair argument to be made that they are de facto ID cards already. an argument for another day)


sucks though to be any of the nightclubs that have mandatory ID scanning as part of their licence conditions from the council and will need to replace their machines that can't take phones. but fuck them for not accommodating people with foreign digital cards already.

 

[keybored]

it annoys me that when you live in whatever country you were born in (UK or anywhere) - you have to prove who you are?

Not sure I follow... what circumstances do you mean?

 

[SpookyFrank]

digital cards already implemented in many countries. so I'm glad the UK will be finally catching up.

Why?

In most of those many countries, police can stop you and demand to see ID with no pretext whatsoever.

 

[PR1Berske]

when you live in whatever country you were born in (UK or anywhere) - you have to prove who you are?

digital cards already implemented in many countries. so I'm glad the UK will be finally catching up.

Looking through the previous threads prior to posting this, it's remarkable just how politically rare these statements are in those.

 

[Cerv]

digital cards already implemented in many countries. so I'm glad the UK will be finally catching up.

Why?

convenience

one less thing to carry. less to replace & no fee if ever lose the wallet.
in fact, would pretty much eliminate the need to take the wallet as most everything is on the phone already. library cards and my cinema membership the last holdouts that would be left after ditching the driving licence. edit: national art pass too, forgot that one.

 

[Aaronf]

Not sure I follow... what circumstances do you mean?

I mean I went clubbing recently and the venue has been supplied with an ID scanner machine and a fingerprint machine (bad reputation) for all sorts even though I've never experienced it. For years none of that, I only had my birth certificate in my wallet as couldn't find my driving licence and they wouldn't let me in. Whether it's me born in the UK who's never been in trouble or it could be Barry from Barryland who was born there but also has to prove who he is, it's frustrating.

That's not the only or even the best reason but having to go home, spend ages trying to find my driving licence only to then go back and decide against giving my fingerprint as I'm not a criminal - it all seems a bit much. It's like treating everyone (born in the country and lived there their whole life) as though they're dodgy.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

For a second I thought this was a licence you would need to do things digitally.

I'd almost be in favour of that.

I guess we do already have the ECDL

 

[Aaronf]

For a second I thought this was a licence you would need to do things digitally.

I'd almost be in favour of that.

I guess we do already have the ECDL

I did my ECDL after I passed my CLAIT

 

[Cerv]

I guess we do already have the ECDL

surely that was ended. brexit means brexit

 

[brogdale]

I'm accused by a few clipboard waving members of the forum of not following the rules when posting threads (none of them have their names in red so I don't know why I treat their mod-like behaviour as real but anyway, a tangent)

It seems from The Guardian via The Times that the government plan for "digital driving licences" also extends to more plans down the line: domestic flights, voting (what happened to "scrapping the Tories voter ID scheme?) benefits and so on)

I'm wholly against a formal national ID card scheme (there, clipboard wielders, an opinion!). It's not been a weakness to have no scheme throughout the years from Blair 's recommendation onwards, and it won't be necessary to implement them now.

Story: UK to introduce digital driving licences to ‘transform public services’


Earlier Urban threads I found on this:

*https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/why-i-oppose-a-national-id-card-database.351290/
*https://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/photo-id-card-uk.326470/
*ID card disease spreading

Key quote:

Which, of course means that, true to New Labour authoritarianism, this is exactly what they want to make happen. The only thing stopping them being their neoliberal aversion to ensuring that every citizen had digital access/hardware to make it a reality.

 

[Aaronf]

surely that was ended. brexit means brexit

Just looked and they expire after 3 years? I'd have to take mine again That is if even could, starting to regret voting Brexit as proud of the qualifications I've got.

 

[keybored]

I mean I went clubbing recently and the venue has been supplied with an ID scanner machine and a fingerprint machine (bad reputation) for all sorts even though I've never experienced it. For years none of that, I only had my birth certificate in my wallet as couldn't find my driving licence and they wouldn't let me in. Whether it's me born in the UK who's never been in trouble or it could be Barry from Barryland who was born there but also has to prove who he is, it's frustrating.

Ah, fair enough. I've never had that yet but that does seem pretty annoying. And invasive.

 

[Cerv]

Key quote:
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Which, of course means that, true to New Labour authoritarianism, this is exactly what they want to make happen. The only thing stopping them being their neoliberal aversion to ensuring that every citizen had digital access/hardware to make it a reality.

that and there already aren't enough staff at driving test centres to keep up with demand from people who actually want driving licences. never mind if somehow driving licences became mandatory.

 

[Aaronf]

Ah, fair enough. I've never had that yet but that does seem pretty annoying. And invasive.

It's not a great example and only came in very recently but it sets all sorts of questions off in my head. Random pubs/clubs having the same access to/level of data that let's say the police would? How do they keep it securely and adhere to the data protection act? A draw in the office that only the most trusted staff have a key to? Sorry I'm waffling lol

 

[keybored]

It's not a great example and only came in very recently but it sets all sorts of questions off in my head. Random pubs/clubs having the same access to/level of data that let's say the police would? How do they keep it securely and adhere to the data protection act? A draw in the office that only the most trusted staff have a key to? Sorry I'm waffling lol

Fuck giving business to pubs or clubs that do that tbh.

 

[mx wcfc]

Drunken rate typed and deleted!

Fuck ID and state control.

 

[Puddy_Tat]

never mind if somehow driving licences became mandatory.

i can't see that happening, as there's some people who have medical / eyesight conditions that means they would not be allowed a driving licence, some people who just would never pass a test, and some people who don't want to.

 

[SpookyFrank]

convenience

one less thing to carry.

You don't have to carry it.

And a driving licence weighs about 3 grams.

 

[SpookyFrank]

one less thing to carry. less to replace & no fee if ever lose the wallet.
in fact, would pretty much eliminate the need to take the wallet as most everything is on the phone already. library cards and my cinema membership the last holdouts that would be left after ditching the driving licence. edit: national art pass too, forgot that one.

You'll be one of those people who pays for everything with their phone, even though this is much more fuss than just using a card or cash.

 

[pseudonarcissus]

We have them here in Brazil. You download an app and there it is.
It’s a handy back-up but a pain in the bunda at the airport as people are straying to switch between their electronic boarding pass and their ID.

 

[freshapple]

This is a good idea because it makes things more convenient

 

[Cerv]

You don't have to carry it.

And a driving licence weighs about 3 grams.

Sometimes one does need to. Tonight I am just about to go out and Lambeth council require clubs to scan ID of all entrants.

The weight is not a concern

 

[sleaterkinney]

Google and Facebook already know everything about you and no one gives a shit, what's the problem with the government having your details?. A centralised ID store makes so much sense.

 

[Tankus]

I've got the government app on my mobile phone which I've used to claim carers benefit, renewed my lost passport and recently renewed my photo card for my driving licence, my car insurance, road tax. Utility bills , council tax and banking, Google and Windows account , all done through my (face recognition, fingerprint scan) Chinese mobile..

Mobile phone tracked,I use Waze for driving, I regularly go through those vehicle tracking cameras dotted around the diff and the a470 up the valleys

Totally fucked in the in the identity /tracking dept to more than just the UK government. The only person who hasn't got all that info consolidated to hand (via an ID digital thingy) is me.

I still use cash for some stuff, but then there's my card, which notifies me (where, when, how much) I've used it within seconds of purchase on my banking app.

I'm well passed that stage in life where I'm closer to my death, than to my birth.

I'm struggling to give two shits anymore

 

[Tankus]

All cars are going to have mandatory trackers in them anyway, get all ready for pay per mile, variable congestion zone / peak driving and automated full journey applicable fining (speed /parking/driving with too many points, no insurace/car tax/mot)

I wish I had been born, late 1940's perhaps

Optimal lifetime freedom

 

[brogdale]

Google and Facebook already know everything about you and no one gives a shit, what's the problem with the government having your details?. A centralised ID store makes so much sense.

Implanted state chips would be the ultimate 'convenience', surely?