David Icke lecture @ Wembley Arena, October 2012

[butchersapron]

Not having a pop at you, but I do wish the word "forgery" wasn't used, because that implies that it's an amended copy of an existing document, when actually what it was, was a wholesale fabrication.

It's sort of a forgery (in those terms at least) given that it's based largely on a pre-existing text...take the wider point though.

 

[frogwoman]

why the hell do you not care lol, it says a lot about you.

 

[stethoscope]

My belief system is not based on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or on David Icke - you just assumed it is. I just dared to discuss a couple of points as to whether his theories actually do contradict each other (not whether they're false) and whether he has ever actually made any anti-semitic or racist remarks. That doesn't make him my 'hero' or make me a 'jew hater' or any other ridiculous conclusions you all so willingly leap to despite your self-proclaimed superior 'critical faculties', 'logic' and 'research based' methods.

Quite the defender of Icke aren't you, even when you've being caught out for not knowing what you're arguing

 

[faux pas]

why the hell do you not care lol, it says a lot about you.

Yeah, and just about everybody else, lol

 

[ViolentPanda]

'dared'

Hey, these truth-speakers, they've got very positive self-images! Remember jazzz's mate from academe?

 

[butchersapron]

Hey, these truth-speakers, they've got very positive self-images! Remember jazzz's mate from academe?

Indeed, a little bit of pulling and it all came tumbling out...faux pas is on the verge....

 

[faux pas]

Quite the defender of Icke aren't you, even when you've being caught out for not knowing what you're arguing

Only questioned those two points - you all did the rest with your wild imaginations. Ironic really.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Wow, so angry, lol

Don't flatter yourself. I always swear when I'm bored.

So you did just make it up then?

None of it. He was banned, he isn't currently banned. Reality, not invention. What part of that are you having a hard time with?

 

[TruXta]

C'mon guys, give the fella some credit, he's just trying to broaden our horizons, explode our reality tunnels and that sorta right on shit.

 

[MellySingsDoom]

My belief system is not based on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or on David Icke - you just assumed it is. I just dared to discuss a couple of points as to whether his theories actually do contradict each other (not whether they're false) and whether he has ever actually made any anti-semitic or racist remarks. That doesn't make him my 'hero' or make me a 'jew hater' or any other ridiculous conclusions you all so willingly leap to despite your self-proclaimed superior 'critical faculties', 'logic' and 'research based' methods.

He's been de-facto blacklisted from the entire UK publishing industry, for submitting in 1994 a "book" to one UK publisher which contained huge chunks of "The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion". How much more fucking evidence do you need that Icke is a dangerous anti-Semite? For fuck's sake.

By the way, you know what you can do with your own "superior critical facilities", don't you?

 

[belboid]

Not having a pop at you, but I do wish the word "forgery" wasn't used, because that implies that it's an amended copy of an existing document, when actually what it was, was a wholesale fabrication.

well, it was based on other documents, which were also all faked, of course

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's sort of a forgery (in those terms at least) given that it's based largely on a pre-existing text...take the wider point though.

Yeah, but the pre-existing text was a satirical "debate". That's the irony that generations of fuckspuds have missed.

 

[butchersapron]

well, it was based on other documents, which were also all faked, of course

It was largely based on one real one turned around to mean the opposite of what it meant.

 

[faux pas]

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[ViolentPanda]

Indeed, a little bit of pulling and it all came tumbling out...faux pas is on the verge....

Surely you mean "the grassy knoll"?

 

[ViolentPanda]

So when you said:

..you just made it up, right?

What part of it are you claiming that I made up?

 

[stethoscope]

Only questioned those two points - you all did the rest with your wild imaginations. Ironic really.

Would it be that you don't care about the Protocol of the Elders of Zion because...

1) You've been caught out not knowing anything about it, after trying to defend Icke and now you feel a bit silly?;

2) You do know about its anti-semitism (and other dubiousness), yet really don't want to acknowledge it in terms of Icke's own material?

Either way, you're appear to be trying to fudge/shift a little from your earlier posts as the start of thread.

 

[frogwoman]

It was based on a french comedy iirc.

 

[faux pas]

What part of it are you claiming that I made up?

What 'stateS and territorieS' was Icke banned from?

 

[butchersapron]

SS

 

[ViolentPanda]

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Why have you removed your post?

You know, the one where you said "...you just made it up, right?"

 

[butchersapron]

You're a grubby little fuck aren't you faux pas?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

What 'stateS and territorieS' was Icke banned from?

It worries me that the issue of the "making up" of the most famous anti-semitic document in history is less of a concern to you than this.

 

[butchersapron]

Why have you removed your post?

You know, the one where you said "...you just made it up, right?"

Because they realised that Icke being banned from some places ( as you said) was correct whether the ban was later lifted or not. They're now going to argue that you must show that it was loads of places.

 

[ViolentPanda]

What 'stateS and territorieS' was Icke banned from?

I've just said, two Australian states, in the '90s. IIRC the Northern Territories was one of them. I'll have a look through my electronic archive of Nexus later, as they ran the story over several issues.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It worries me that the issue of the "making up" of the most famous anti-semitic document in history is less of a concern to you than this.

It's unsurprising, though. Standard tactic - if you can't challenge on the main point, look to challenge elsewhere.

 

[faux pas]

Would it be that you don't care about the Protocol of the Elders of Zion because...

1) You've been caught out not knowing anything about it, after trying to defend Icke and now you feel a bit silly?;

2) You do know about its anti-semitism (and other dubiousness), yet really don't want to acknowledge it in terms of Icke's own material?

Either way, you're appear to be trying to fudge/shift a little from your earlier posts as the start of thread.

How can I be 'caught out' if I've never claimed to know anything about it in the first place? Don't flatter yourselves. So I talk about whether the claim that the moon is a hologram and the claim that it has bases on it is in fact a contradiction or not, and then the next thing you know I'm being hounded about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion! ROFL!

 

[butchersapron]

Faux pas, we're 5 steps ahead of you - how?

 

[belboid]

It was based on a french comedy iirc.

ripped off from Joly, who, in turn, ripped it off from Eugene Sue, who, in turn, had ripped it off from some older stories. One of them (Joly or Sue) was reactionary and anti-semitic, tho the other wasn't, I forget which way round. It's all in the last Umberto Eco novel.

 

[goldenecitrone]

How can I be 'caught out' if I've never claimed to know anything about it in the first place? Don't flatter yourselves. So I talk about whether the claim that the moon is a hologram and the claim that it has bases on it is in fact a contradiction or not, and then the next thing you know I'm being hounded about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion! ROFL!

Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Waffen SS?