David Icke lecture @ Wembley Arena, October 2012
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TruXta
tired
He can have the belief, but that doesn't make it non-contradictory. The holographic universe theory that he's badly mangled doesn't allow for the moon being both a hologram and a hollowed out planetoid. I guess that's too much logic for your raisin of a brain tho.
TruXta
tired
sacrilege!
Strong truth, my dear. As bad as Peep Show was good.
Apparently you can't take anything other than literally. It was a suggestion that the phrase is so common that your remark is in fact largely irrelevant. But didn't think I'd need to point that out. Obviously, I did.
Spud Murfy
Relic
You've got me curious now Louis. Who is it that's said to be particularly resistant to mental illness?
Why doesn't it allow for it, oh brainy one, given that the terms are only used to express how we would experience it rather than how they actually are. You do understand that point, don't you?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
He's arguing that the hollowed out moon bases are noumenal? Then how the fuck is he describing them oh brainy one?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This isn't his argument btw. You commit fraudery upon him. You do understand that point, don't you?
TruXta
tired
There's no point there to understand, it's waffle from one end to the other. Do you know what a hologram is? I don't care what Icke thinks it means, I want to know what you think it means.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Wow, 20 minutes to come up with that self-justificatory bollocks? You're slipping!
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
So you know nothing about it, yet enough to stand by your assertion that its not anti-semitic?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
She's just argued that icke is outside of space and time. Really. That's excellent waffle
So you don't understand it. Fair enough!
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
wow! you've really convinced me that you know what you're talking about with your argument there!!
TruXta
tired
For the curious, the idea that the universe is (in a highly fucking technical sense) holographic isn't to do with this shit at all, here's the wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle
How do you know how I have to spend my time today. More wild assumptions from the superior 'critical faculties' again, I guess.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
And yet he also appears to be immanent!
I for one welcome our loonspudulent new overlord!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
It's not a wild assumption, it's an insult couched as sarcasm. You do understand the point, don't you?
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
TruXta
tired
I don't claim to be all that well-read on string theory and the more exotic corners of quantum cosmology. Icke does, and he's so far off the ball that he's not even within a 100-mile radius of the pitch. But I do know enough to know that what he's claiming would make batshit dry up in distaste.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
faux pas - I'll admit I haven't kept up with every twist and turn of the hollow moon theme here. 
However, you seem to be saying you maintain an old fashioned modernist distinction betwee 'reality' and subjective 'perception' - but go on to make a conscious choice in favour of the perception?? You know there's an objective truth out there, but choose to ignore it??
However, you seem to be saying you maintain an old fashioned modernist distinction betwee 'reality' and subjective 'perception' - but go on to make a conscious choice in favour of the perception?? You know there's an objective truth out there, but choose to ignore it??
MellySingsDoom
Decimated by the shrapnel of his rhetoric
Right, I promise this is my last word on the matter...look faux pas, what I don't get is this: why are you taking any interest of someone's theoretical etc contradictions, when said somone is a major league disseminator of virulently anti-Semitic material? Why would you care about anything they said when they've displayed their racist/bigoted etc credentials for all to see? Why??? I mean, would you even begin to entertain notorious racist/anti-Semite (name omitted - I'm not giving that fucker any "publicity") utterly barking "theories" on space travel and quantum physics?!
Anyway, enough from me.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
See, that's the thing with giving it the blah blah blah about quantum phenomena. There's only a relatively small amount of people who can gainsay you, and even the ones who're leaders in their fields often say shit that, to the uninitiated (in quantum physics, not Icke-ism!), sounds as barefacedly bollocks as Icke's witterings. Great camouflage!
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
I've gone back and checked my reference, the immunity being claimed is from depression. I'll get back with the explanation once I've heard from faux pas.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
To be fair to Faux pas, s/he's only saying that if Icke thinks this then there's no contradiction
TruXta
tired
Fucking Fritjof Capra has a lot to answer for.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
We are getting dangerously close to discussing Ick'e epistemology
- that's not a rabbit hole/hologram I want to fall down. 
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There is no basis for arguing that contradictions can be demonstrated ever in that line of argument. What sort of idiot thinks like that?
Anyway, her argument is that there is objective material reality that we can only perceive in terms of holograms (without saying why this may be case) except for Icke who has some grasp on this from outside of the space/time phenomenal etc way that stinking norms like us can only ever perceive things and so can accurately describe it in great detail.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Fortunately, his brother Frank did some stuff that served to wash the smears from the family name.
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