David Icke lecture @ Wembley Arena, October 2012

[Jazzz]

Keep digging Jazzz.

nice try

 

[ViolentPanda]

A crypto-fascist somewhere:

That chap is a member of Neturei Karta, and the sign he holds relates directly to the Judaistic belief that Zionism, through its' rhetoric and practice of a return to Israel, has usurped G-d's role, and that the actions of Zionists while doing so have aggravated tensions that have resulted in anti-Semitism. His point is simple and legitimate. Icke's point requires labyrinthine contortions in order to legitimate itself.

 

[Blagsta]

Some raving anti-semitic fascist websites:

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

What are your views on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

 

[ViolentPanda]

more raving BNP nutjobs:

More disingenuousness from someone who should know better.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Some raving anti-semitic fascist websites:

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

The fact that you believe that there's some equivalence between a legitimate Jewish position on Zionism (not "Rothschild Zionism"), and Icke's couching of his original position as being against "Rothschild Zionism" is quite worrying.

 

[butchersapron]

A crypto-fascist somewhere:

And another one:

See if you can grasp what point i'm making.

 

[rekil]

What's Icke's relationship with Ernst Zundel? Does he nick any of his nonsense?

 

[Jazzz]

That chap is a member of Neturei Karta, and the sign he holds relates directly to the Judaistic belief that Zionism, through its' rhetoric and practice of a return to Israel, has usurped G-d's role, and that the actions of Zionists while doing so have aggravated tensions that have resulted in anti-Semitism. His point is simple and legitimate. Icke's point requires labyrinthine contortions in order to legitimate itself.

Well, whatever.

My point here is very simple.

It is absurd to equate to equate anti-zionism with anti-semitism. In fact, pretty much the only place it seems to occur is only Icke threads on urban75. And of course silly articles on conspiracy stuff in the mainstream media.

 

[editor]

It is absurd to equate to equate anti-zionism with anti-semitism. In fact, pretty much the only place it seems to occur is only Icke threads on urban75. And of course silly articles on conspiracy stuff in the mainstream media.

Well, apart from this Guardian piece along with thousands of other similar articles:

Anti-Zionism is anti-semitism
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/29/comment

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

You're a very stupid man Jazzz.

 

[butchersapron]

Well, whatever.

My point here is very simple.

It is absurd to equate to equate anti-zionism with anti-semitism. In fact, pretty much the only place it seems to occur is only Icke threads on urban75. And of course silly articles on conspiracy stuff in the mainstream media.

Isn't your argument the exact opposite - that it happens all the time all over the media and on here? It doesn't. It's certainly Icke's argument that it does though. And it's easily dealt with - but in fact has not been made on this thread.

 

[gosub]

Well, whatever.

My point here is very simple.

It is absurd to equate to equate anti-zionism with anti-semitism. In fact, pretty much the only place it seems to occur is only Icke threads on urban75. And of course silly articles on conspiracy stuff in the mainstream media.

Meline Phillips seems to manage it,without referencing icke or urban75

 

[DotCommunist]

Mad Mel is so completely off her rocker that she would equate frowning at a jew who just pushed in front of you in a queue with the nuremburg laws

 

[Jazzz]

Isn't your argument the exact opposite - that it happens all the time all over the media and on here? It doesn't. It's certainly Icke's argument that it does though. And it's easily dealt with - but in fact has not been made on this thread.

Well you're right, I am exaggerating. It is all over the place. I am highlighting that on middle east threads no one would dare suggest that to be anti-zionist is anti-semitic, but when it comes to Icke and other conspiracy types blaming zionist, or suggesting that there is a zionist element to the big plot against us, well there's frothing of the keyboards.

Of course, there are those who do say 'it's a Jewish plot!" and that is absolutely no good at all, but Icke is not one of those and goes to some lengths to make clear that he sees Jewish people as a victims of the plot rather than perpetrators. This is what gets me.

 

[butchersapron]

By exaggerating you must mean arguing the exact opposite then.

 

[gosub]

Well you're right, I am exaggerating. It is all over the place. I am highlighting that on middle east threads no one would dare suggest that to be anti-zionist is anti-semitic, but when it comes to Icke and other conspiracy types blaming zionist, or suggesting that there is a zionist element to the big plot against us, well there's frothing of the keyboards.

Of course, there are those who do say 'it's a Jewish plot!" and that is absolutely no good at all, but Icke is not one of those and goes to some lengths to make clear that he sees Jewish people as a victims of the plot rather than perpetrators. This is what gets me.

Jewish ware wolves?

 

[TruXta]

Icke is not one of those and goes to some lengths to make clear that he sees Jewish people as a victims of the plot rather than perpetrators. This is what gets me.

You mean apart from those Jews that orchestrated WW1 and 2, plus enslaved mankind in a Matrix-style other-dimensional occult-capitalist nightmare in some kind of nefarious pact with reptiles from the other side of the universe?

 

[butchersapron]

The jewish-ish plot

 

[TruXta]

The Jew-lite conspiracy.

 

[butchersapron]

Or jewish.

 

[TruXta]

Well, yeah. Jazzz, man the fuck up and rid yourself of this shitebag. I don't care if you believe in a fucking space-reptile come to take our jobs and women, just dispense with the badly hidden racist cockery eh?

 

[gosub]

BUY SILVER!

 

[TruXta]

Fuck silver, osmium's where it's at.

 

[gosub]

Fuck silver, osmium's where it's at.

Seen several of what Icke would call documentaries where silver is the only weakness of lunar dependant monsters.


Do make good pens though.

 

[TruXta]

Seen several of what Icke would call documentaries where silver is the only weakness of lunar dependant monsters.

Do make good pens though.

If anything shows the continuity between Icke and fairy-tales it's that really.

 

[Jazzz]

Well, yeah. Jazzz, man the fuck up and rid yourself of this shitebag. I don't care if you believe in a fucking space-reptile come to take our jobs and women, just dispense with the badly hidden racist cockery eh?

TruXta, I am alive because my great-grandfather was a conspiracy theorist, and realised that his government was about to make life extremely difficult for German Jewry, and he got his family out in time. If I felt for one moment that Icke was in any way racist I would have no truck with him. However, he clearly is not. He is extremely clear to point out that it is an elite plot by some few bloodlines and NOT an entire race of people. I really don't much care for "guilt by association" attacks, if you actually had a clue how fascism takes hold neither would you.

 

[rekil]

First they came for the holocaust deniers and I didn't speak out because I was sheeple.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Fuck silver, osmium's where it's at.

Nah it's purple gold as discovered by Jazzz's Jew hating alchemist mate Nick.

 

[Blagsta]

TruXta, I am alive because my great-grandfather was a conspiracy theorist, and realised that his government was about to make life extremely difficult for German Jewry, and he got his family out in time. If I felt for one moment that Icke was in any way racist I would have no truck with him. However, he clearly is not. He is extremely clear to point out that it is an elite plot by some few bloodlines and NOT an entire race of people. I really don't much care for "guilt by association" attacks, if you actually had a clue how fascism takes hold neither would you.

Interesting that you talk about fascism - Icke openly courts fascists.

 

[editor]

TruXta, I am alive because my great-grandfather was a conspiracy theorist, and realised that his government was about to make life extremely difficult for German Jewry, and he got his family out in time.

That wasn't a "conspiracy". It was government policy.