David Icke lecture @ Wembley Arena, October 2012

[TruXta]

Fortunately, his brother Frank did some stuff that served to wash the smears from the family name.

Don't confuse the rabble anymore.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Lib Dem last two elections. I'll probably spoil my vote next time unless the Greens are standing (or maybe Mebyon Kernow as I live in Cornwall).

That's even worse tbh.

 

[gosub]

There is no basis for arguing that contradictions can be demonstrated ever in that line of argument. What sort of idiot thinks like that?

Anyway, her argument is that there is objective material reality that we can only perceive in terms of holograms (without saying why this may be case) except for Icke who has some grasp on this from outside of the space/time phenomenal etc way that stinking norms like us can only ever perceive things and so can accurately describe it in great detail.

Having listened to his latest youtube and looked at the back of his books (veryslow day with lots of things I'm putting off) I think you have it backwards: mankind is supposed to be free flowing energy bound by holgraphic limits of space and time by a vice like grip exerted by the moon. Freed of such shackles mankind would be free to explore the universe akin to Wesley Crusher in Star Trek NG Episode:Journey's End. Anybody who cannot get their head round this is a close minded reptiian.

£20 saved

 

[Spud Murfy]

I've gone back and checked my reference, the immunity being claimed is from depression. I'll get back with the explanation once I've heard from faux pas.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Oh okay, I think I know what you're referring to. If someone thinks they have evidence which supports such predictions or explanations, then bring it on.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I'm posting on here, where a lot of anarchists and Marxists post. Does that mean I "love hanging around with anarchists and Marxists"?

What do you base these snippets of information about people on?

Yes, or at least you enjoy our company, otherwise you wouldn't be on here. And anyway, it's more than that with your daft pro-fascist "free-speech" forums isn't it? You claim to consider some of them friends, you try to sympathise with their "fears" and, indeed, you've tried to excuse them on here. It's telling that you think the two (Marxist/anarcho vs fascist) are somehow comparable btw, in a kind of "know your enemy" way.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Newt Gingrich is out to prove the moon is neither hollow, nor a hologram.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...0-space-coast-campaign-stop-article-1.1012015

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

He might go for 'every conspiracy theory going', but I'm not sure he does actually contradict himself. I'd be surprised if you could point out exactly where he does. He believes that it's all played out on many levels.

Just read the first chapter and a bit of chapter 2 this morning. So far we have.

The anunnaki come from outerspace
The anunnaki come from innerspace (inside the hollow earth)
The anunnaki come from another dimension.
The anunnaki seeded the earth creating all humans.
All white humans are from mars, (they got here after the anunnaki seeded earth).
The two great continents of the great age were destroyed in a war of the gods (anunnaki)
The two great continents of the great age were destroyed when venus entered our solar system, destroyed life on mars, swung around the earth a bit and knocked it into Mars' orbit.
(The moon is mentioned in this section as a real and solid moon and not the spaceship or hollow moon mentioned later in the book)

He also says the dinosaurs mass world consciousness must still have an impact on us. Consciousness is energy and energy can not be destroyed and so it is passed on to us, controlling us. This is also the anunnaki.

It's bat shit. When he quote someone elses mad theories as fact, he always starts with 'this is a great bloke and very intelligent for whom I have a lot of respect for'. And if history or science says something that doesn't tally, a simple 'the so called history books' or 'that's what the so called scientists would have you believe', puts pay to that.
"That's what science and history would have you believe, but I believe something else (that just popped into my head)"

 

[frogwoman]

fucking bat shit crazy.

 

[southside]

I've spent a bit of time over the past few days watching some of his speeches and interviews on youtube and there is no doubt that he is exceptionally gifted in terms of how he presents his ideas, I think he is a genius even if a lot of what he says is far beyond normal peoples interpretation of reality, there is an awful lot of what he says that can be agreed upon.

There all shapeshifting lizards works for me

 

[frogwoman]

I've spent a bit of time over the past few days watching some of his speeches and interviews on youtube and there is no doubt that he is exceptionally gifted in terms of how he presents his ideas, I think he is a genius even if a lot of what he says is far beyond normal peoples interpretation of reality, there is an awful lot of what he says that can be agreed upon.

There all shapeshifting lizards works for me

such as what? bad people are bad?

 

[articul8]

"That's what science and history would have you believe, but I believe something else (that just popped into my head)"

"You can prove anything with facts".

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

there is an awful lot of what he says that can be agreed upon.

Such as?

 

[butchersapron]

...
It's bat shit. When he quote someone elses mad theories as fact, he always starts with 'this is a great bloke and very intelligent for whom I have a lot of respect for'....

and he then proceeds to shamelessly steal their 'ideas' - perfect (and very apt) example, Zecharia Sitchin and the Nibiru idea.

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

and he then proceeds to shamelessly steal their 'ideas' - perfect (and very apt) example, Zecharia Sitchin and the Nibiru idea.

His 'research' is pretty much reprinting what other people have written and putting it all together. To be fair, he does make it clear where he nicked it from. Chapter one is "Sitchin says, sitchin wrote, sitchin deduced, sitchin etc, and call me crazy, I don't care because I believe most of what he say (then add some bigger insane idea on top with no basis in reality to make it my own)"

 

[southside]

The world is controlled by the reptoids.



All flown by lizards no doubt.

 

[xes]

ooh, thanks for reminding me to subscribe to luna cognitas chanel

 

[Meltingpot]

Yes, or at least you enjoy our company, otherwise you wouldn't be on here.

:rofl: (note to admins; we could do with more smilies here)

Bull. Whatever reasons I have for posting in the politics section and debating with people here, enjoying their company isn't one of them, any more than you probably enjoy the company of the people you cross swords with on here.

And anyway, it's more than that with your daft pro-fascist "free-speech" forums isn't it?

No, not at all. For what it's worth, I'm currently embroiled in two debates on the Phora; one concerning their current "sperg" obsession, which I wish they'd knock off (I'm a 'sperg' myself btw, as you may know), and another one about whether or not fascism is compatible with Christianity and with Catholicism in particular. So far I'm not doing very well on that last one, mainly because my opponents seem to know a lot more about the subject (especially Catholicism) than I do.

But in neither case am I "enjoying their company." I'd have to be a masochist to, any more than I enjoy the flak I get from my antagonists on here. You don't go on the Phora to make friends; even an ex-admin there admits that much.

No, debating online for me is like an itch that needs scratching; I see someone saying something I don't llke and / or believe needs correcting, and get posting.

You claim to consider some of them friends.

Foir the Phora, see my last comments. As for Stormfront, it's true that there are people on SF I consider friends, on both sides of the argument (I've never hidden the fact, not even when I was an admin on MSF), but that isn't a free speech forum; it's very tightly (and I believe unfairly) moderated, which is why I don't post there much now.

you try to sympathise with their "fears."

Into the lion's den again...

I don't have to "try". I just have to not be arrogant enough to think I know more about their lives than they do. If Dani (Britannia on SF) says she's afraid to go out at night in the part of Leeds where she lives, then that's how it is for her as far as I'm concerned.

If you think granting sovereignty to people's subjective worlds in this way is a bad thing, well I think the alternative - letting third parties decide what thoughts and feelings people "should" have - is a lot worse.

None of us is wise enough to do that. Regulating behaviour is as far as things can or should legitimately go IMO.

and, indeed, you've tried to excuse them on here.

I wouldn't call it "excusing", but it is true that I've tried to explain as best I can why I believe they see things as they do. Coming as it did at the end of a three hour argument where I was heavily outnumbered, it wasn't my best moment on here, or probably wise to attempt it.

It's telling that you think the two (Marxist/anarcho vs fascist) are somehow comparable btw, in a kind of "know your enemy" way.

Well they're comparable in three respects; neither is a mainstream viewpoint, both give me a hard time when I try and debate with them, and I'm typically heavily outnumbered when I try to do so.

Maybe a fourth; I should probably have the sense to pack it in. Instead of posting here I could be posting elsewhere on Urban or even doing other stuff online or offline; like I said though, it seems to be like an itch that needs scratching for me at the moment.

 

[Casually Red]

If I really had nothing better to do with my time Id really like to hang around Wembley arena , or indeed any of his speaking events , wearing of these . Making angry hisses noises at people , shaking my fist at them in annoyance, then scurrying off down darkened alleys before anyone else sees.

 

[Idris2002]

If I really had nothing better to do with my time Id really like to hang around Wembley arena , or indeed any of his speaking events , wearing of these . Making angry hisses noises at people , shaking my fist at them in annoyance, then scurrying off down darkened alleys before anyone else sees.

And that would be different from your normal routine how, exactly?

 

[Casually Red]

And that would be different from your normal routine how, exactly?

well it would be a variation on the gary glitter mask i wear to parents evenings

 

[Idris2002]

OK, you win this round. . .

 

[frogwoman]

If you think granting sovereignty to people's subjective worlds in this way is a bad thing, well I think the alternative - letting third parties decide what thoughts and feelings people "should" have - is a lot worse.

sorry but this binary shit is why you get a hard time on here. You think the alternative to your approach is the thought police.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Granting sovereignty to people's subjective worlds lol

You're starting to sound like gmart! Here's a revelation for you; although your post-modernist outlook militates against it, the fact is there really is a material world out there and there are things we can know about it. Their world views don't match that. They're wrong.

If we don't tolerate their intolerance we're more intolerant than them maaaan!

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

:rofl: (note to admins; we could do with more smilies here)

Bull. Whatever reasons I have for posting in the politics section and debating with people here, enjoying their company isn't one of them, any more than you probably enjoy the company of the people you cross swords with on here.

No, not at all. For what it's worth, I'm currently embroiled in two debates on the Phora; one concerning their current "sperg" obsession, which I wish they'd knock off (I'm a 'sperg' myself btw, as you may know), and another one about whether or not fascism is compatible with Christianity and with Catholicism in particular. So far I'm not doing very well on that last one, mainly because my opponents seem to know a lot more about the subject (especially Catholicism) than I do.

But in neither case am I "enjoying their company." I'd have to be a masochist to, any more than I enjoy the flak I get from my antagonists on here. You don't go on the Phora to make friends; even an ex-admin there admits that much.

No, debating online for me is like an itch that needs scratching; I see someone saying something I don't llke and / or believe needs correcting, and get posting.

Foir the Phora, see my last comments. As for Stormfront, it's true that there are people on SF I consider friends, on both sides of the argument (I've never hidden the fact, not even when I was an admin on MSF), but that isn't a free speech forum; it's very tightly (and I believe unfairly) moderated, which is why I don't post there much now.

Into the lion's den again...

I don't have to "try". I just have to not be arrogant enough to think I know more about their lives than they do. If Dani (Britannia on SF) says she's afraid to go out at night in the part of Leeds where she lives, then that's how it is for her as far as I'm concerned.

If you think granting sovereignty to people's subjective worlds in this way is a bad thing, well I think the alternative - letting third parties decide what thoughts and feelings people "should" have - is a lot worse.

None of us is wise enough to do that. Regulating behaviour is as far as things can or should legitimately go IMO.

I wouldn't call it "excusing", but it is true that I've tried to explain as best I can why I believe they see things as they do. Coming as it did at the end of a three hour argument where I was heavily outnumbered, it wasn't my best moment on here, or probably wise to attempt it.

Well they're comparable in three respects; neither is a mainstream viewpoint, both give me a hard time when I try and debate with them, and I'm typically heavily outnumbered when I try to do so.

Maybe a fourth; I should probably have the sense to pack it in. Instead of posting here I could be posting elsewhere on Urban or even doing other stuff online or offline; like I said though, it seems to be like an itch that needs scratching for me at the moment.

You're scum, simple as do not try and squirm out of it you weird fella, I don't believe you don't enjoy hanging out with racists, anti semites, and fascists - your posts on their boards make that quite clear.
And as matey said above the fact you equate the racist nutjob end of the far right with Marxists and anarchists shows at best exceptional naivity and at worst that you're a fascist/nationalist/3rd positionist type playing it simple, which is what I suspect.

 

[SpineyNorman]

You're scum, simple as do not try and squirm out of it you weird fella, I don't believe you don't enjoy hanging out with racists, anti semites, and fascists - your posts on their boards make that quite clear.
And as matey said above the fact you equate the racist nutjob end of the far right with Marxists and anarchists shows at best exceptional naivity and at worst that you're a fascist/nationalist/3rd positionist type playing it simple, which is what I suspect.

To be fair he's not a crypto-fascist or owt like that. He's just an utter moron.

 

[Jazzz]

A crypto-fascist somewhere:

 

[Jazzz]

more raving BNP nutjobs:

 

[Wilf]

The safety car is off and the grand prix resumes...

 

[Jazzz]

Some raving anti-semitic fascist websites:

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Keep digging Jazzz.