David Icke lecture @ Wembley Arena, October 2012

[frogwoman]

they're not jews, they are khazars. so it's ok.

 

[butchersapron]

No wouldn't be the same. In your example your hate would come from either a hate of them being gay or black or both. That's different from hating someone for being a Rothchild Zionist rather than for being jewish.

And if 'Rothchild Zionist' means jew? (it does btw)

 

[frogwoman]

it's different from hating someone for being a jew rather than for being jewish.

 

[teqniq]

What is a "rothschild zionist"?

I too am curious. Is it a subspecies like Rothschild giraffe?

 

[Roadkill]

Incidentally, faux pas, you never did answer a question I asked in post #342. After your assertion that you're 'non-committal' about some things Icke says that others regard as crazy, I asked:

Why? Much of what Icke comes out with plainly is crazy. Why be non-committal about it?

The question still stands. Shape-shifting reptilians, bloodlines encompassing everyone from George Bush to Boxcar Willie, holographic moons and so on and so forth - unless pretty much everything we know about how the world works is wrong there is no way most of this can be true, and frankly the reptilians are straight out of second-rate fantasy novels. Why be non-committal about this? Why suspend judgement on it? And why give any credence at all to someone who believes all of this nonsense?

 

[faux pas]

And if 'Rothchild Zionist' means jew? (it does btw)

'Rothchild Zionist' certainly isn't the equivalent of 'jew', as Icke would painstakingly go to lengths to explain how, in his opinion, most jews are actually victims of 'Rothchild Zionism'

Okay so still waiting then.

 

[stethoscope]

The lizards, faux pas, the lizards.

 

[Blagsta]

'Rothchild Zionist' certainly isn't the equivalent of 'jew', as Icke would painstakingly go to lengths to explain how, in his opinion, most jews are actually victims of 'Rothchild Zionism'

Okay so still waiting then.

Yes, still waiting for you to tell us what a "rothschild zionist" is. How do we recognise one?

 

[Blagsta]

Still waiting for you to tell us how the Protocols aren't anti-semitic.

 

[butchersapron]

'Rothchild Zionist' certainly isn't the equivalent of 'jew', as Icke would painstakingly go to lengths to explain how, in his opinion, most jews are actually victims of 'Rothchild Zionism'

Okay so still waiting then.

Of course it is, and of course the well rehearsed get-outs designed to fool people like you are always going to work with you when you have such an uncritical simplistic and unquestioning approach to evidence, logic and argument.

If someone argued that a group of black people were behind a millennial old conspiracy that entailed damaging consequences for other black people but that this is just what black people do, then this would be correctly identified as racist loonery. Sounds rather similar to this though doesn't it?

"Jewish people are simply wonderful when they allow themselves to be who they really are. They have such a contribution to make to the good of the world. But I have rarely met one who really loves themself or does not carry the burden of inherited guilt. My friends, it is all about control. It's time to let it go. Jewish people (who, like the rest of us, are evolving consciousnesses which happen to be experiencing a Jewish lifetime), will never be free until they step out of the mental and emotional control of this tiny clique, which uses them in the most merciless ways to advance its own sick and diabolical ambitions, in league with an equally sick clique of non-Jews."

 

[faux pas]

Yes, still waiting for you to tell us what a "rothschild zionist" is. How do we recognise one?

This is David Icke's explanation of the term. The rest you can find here on his site: http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/david-icke-lecture-wembley-arena-october-2012.287667/page-16


By David Icke - Davidicke.com

I have written and spoken extensively about the agenda behind the unfolding global financial crisis and here I will expose the coordinating force, or at least the prime one, behind that agenda and so much else, including 9/11.

Most conspiracy researchers either don't realise the fundamental significance of this network or are too frightened to say so if they do. Sod that.

It is widely known as Zionism or, as I call it, more accurately, I suggest ...Rothschild Zionism. I add the 'Rothschild' to constantly emphasise the true creators of Zionism and its controllers to this day (see Human Race Get Off Your Knees).

I'll explain the connection later to the gathering economic catastrophe, but some background is necessary to put it all in the context that it needs to be seen.

Ask most people about Zionism and they will say 'that's the Jews', but while this is the impression the Rothschild networks in politics and the media have sought very successfully to 'sell' as 'common knowledge', it is not true. It represents only a minority of them and many others who are not Jewish.

 

[Spud Murfy]

David Duke uses the same rhetorical tricks as Icke: of course, many Jews are not like this.

He and Icke also look like they lost the nourishment-contest in the same womb environment as Jon Voight.

 

[butchersapron]

...and of course the question this filth throws up:

"Jewish people are simply wonderful when they allow themselves to be who they really are. They have such a contribution to make to the good of the world. But I have rarely met one who really loves themself or does not carry the burden of inherited guilt. My friends, it is all about control. It's time to let it go. Jewish people (who, like the rest of us, are evolving consciousnesses which happen to be experiencing a Jewish lifetime), will never be free until they step out of the mental and emotional control of this tiny clique, which uses them in the most merciless ways to advance its own sick and diabolical ambitions, in league with an equally sick clique of non-Jews."

The burden of inherited guilt of what?

 

[Blagsta]

This is David Icke's explanation of the term. The rest you can find here on his site: http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/david-icke-lecture-wembley-arena-october-2012.287667/page-16


By David Icke - Davidicke.com

I have written and spoken extensively about the agenda behind the unfolding global financial crisis and here I will expose the coordinating force, or at least the prime one, behind that agenda and so much else, including 9/11.

Most conspiracy researchers either don't realise the fundamental significance of this network or are too frightened to say so if they do. Sod that.

It is widely known as Zionism or, as I call it, more accurately, I suggest ...Rothschild Zionism. I add the 'Rothschild' to constantly emphasise the true creators of Zionism and its controllers to this day (see Human Race Get Off Your Knees).

I'll explain the connection later to the gathering economic catastrophe, but some background is necessary to put it all in the context that it needs to be seen.

Ask most people about Zionism and they will say 'that's the Jews', but while this is the impression the Rothschild networks in politics and the media have sought very successfully to 'sell' as 'common knowledge', it is not true. It represents only a minority of them and many others who are not Jewish.

Right, so they're not Jews, merely a Jewish family seeking to promote zionism?

So nothing to do with Jews then?

 

[Fozzie Bear]

'Rothchild Zionist' certainly isn't the equivalent of 'jew', as Icke would painstakingly go to lengths to explain how, in his opinion, most jews are actually victims of 'Rothchild Zionism'

I am a simple man, and it seems to me that the Rothchilds are a jewish family and that Zionists are supporters of the jewish state of Israel.

You don't seem to be able to explain what a Rothchild Zionist is, which I find confusing.

Are you able to tell me who the Rothchild Zionists are who are not jewish?

 

[ViolentPanda]

No, it's like saying I hate Rothchild Zionists regardless as to whether they are jewish or not.

That's R-O-T-H-S-C-H-I-L-D, not "rothchild".

And if you categorise someone as a "Rothchild Zionist" [sic], then given that the Rothschilds are known predominantly for their cultural heritage (i.e. they're Jews), then your "Jewish or not" is either disingenuousness or stupidity. Which is it?

 

[Orang Utan]

Are you able to tell me who the Rothchild Zionists are who are not jewish?

The Queen, Barry Obama, David Cameron, etc no doubt

 

[faux pas]

Of course it is, and of course the well rehearsed get-outs designed to fool people like you are always going to work with you when you have such an uncritical simplistic and unquestioning approach to evidence, logic and argument.

If someone argued that a group of black people were behind a millennial old conspiracy that entailed damaging consequences for other black people but that this is just what black people do, then this would be correctly identified as racist loonery. Sounds rather similar to this though doesn't it?

'but that this is just what black people do' where does Icke say 'but this is just what jewish people do' - find that with your self-endowed superior critical faculties and you might have an example of Icke being antisemitic.

 

[TruXta]

There are plenty of (genuine, non-Icke-madeup) Zionists who aren't Jews. That's not the issue.

 

[Wilf]

Hang on a minute. Wilf didn't mention censorship. All he said is that Icke's talk of bloodlines and lizards 'takes us further and further' from having a discussion of the actual influence of what some like to refer to as 'Big Pharma' and its influence. I read that as saying that Icke and his ilk are a distraction - with which, if that's how Wilf meant it, I'd agree.

Exactly. Jazz - as always, the question is why do you explain the power of the rich, connected and influential in terms of lizards and bloodlines? Everybody else explains it in terms of them being, well, rich, connected and influential. I know it's the key to conspiracy theorists world view and their psychologically privileged self justification, but you'd think just once they be able to explain why they opt for the complex and absurd, rather than the obvious and straightforward. Go on Jazz/faux pas - have a go, please!

 

[Orang Utan]

'but that this is just what black people do' where does Icke say 'but this is just what jewish people do' - find that with your self-endowed superior critical faculties and you might have an example of Icke being antisemitic.

see post 463 from butchers

 

[Blagsta]

'but that this is just what black people do' where does Icke say 'but this is just what jewish people do' - find that with your self-endowed superior critical faculties and you might have an example of Icke being antisemitic.

Well, he quotes the Protocols for a start.

 

[Blagsta]

There are plenty of (genuine, non-Icke-madeup) Zionists who aren't Jews. That's not the issue.

Are there any non-Jewish Rothschilds?

 

[ViolentPanda]

they're not jews, they are khazars. so it's ok.

Khazars are pussies. Subbotniks. Now that is where being a Jew Rothschild Zionist is at!!

 

[butchersapron]

'but that this is just what black people do' where does Icke say 'but this is just what jewish people do' - find that with your self-endowed superior critical faculties and you might have an example of Icke being antisemitic.

The attribution of an innate nature to a 'race' (for want of a better term here)

Jewish people are simply wonderful when they allow themselves to be who they really are

You've now had three or four. Your defence of those examples is now decidedly verging on dodgy.

 

[frogwoman]

...and of course the question this filth throws up:

The burden of inherited guilt of what?

killing jesus.

 

[TruXta]

Are there any non-Jewish Rothschilds?

Not to my knowledge. I shouldn't have bothered with that post in hindsight, but I thought I might extend an olive branch to fucks pas. My blood sugar must be low or something.

 

[butchersapron]

Faux pas doesn't know how to read Icke. Whether this is down to limitations in her historical/political knowledge and abilities or whether due to the failings of the texts themselves i don't know. It does help in making non-loons jobs a lot easier though.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

There are plenty of (genuine, non-Icke-madeup) Zionists who aren't Jews. That's not the issue.

Indeed, but are there any non-jewish Zionists who are also Rothschilds?

 

[butchersapron]

killing jesus.

Do you feel this bearing down on you?